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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and i'm really excited

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about tonight's show it's going to be a

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bon bon as they say in maine

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and i'm actually visiting down on the

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cape uh with a friend and i'm excited

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about tonight's show uh we have gary

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nolan as professor at harvard um he's

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done a lot of work over the years and i

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was just talking to him a minute ago how

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the first time i was in touch with him

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was all the way back in 2013

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and uh there was say atacama desert baby

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we're gonna be talking about that a

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little

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it was thought to be an alien child by

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and uh gary did the work on that

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starting all the way back then um so the

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second part of the show is gonna be lou

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elizondo and he might be coming in he's

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gonna be coming in a little bit um early

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i would say probably hopefully you know

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maybe in half an hour 40 minutes 45

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minutes something like that from right

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now a little bit about the show i have

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five moderators in chat tonight

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and the reason is is there's a faction

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of people

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in the ufo world that has been attacking

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uh lou pretty hard

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you're not welcome here that's what i

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want to tell you if you think you're

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going to do that tonight you're not you

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i'm not going to take that tonight we

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are going to bump you right out of the

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chat if you do anything like that and

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there's not gonna be any calls tonight

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but i mean if you think about it um

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there's no one else that has moved the

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needle forward more than lou in my

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opinion and he deserves a lot of respect

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in chat i want you to be respectful

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and if you're not i'm sorry we're gonna

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just have to uh remove you from chat

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so now that that is out of the way um i

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want to say that our blog this week is

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cars lifted up and transported by ufos

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that's by uh charles lear he forgot one

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locally or didn't find it locally i sent

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it him a link

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that supposedly happened in new

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hampshire a young couple uh way back i

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don't know maybe like 20 20 years ago or

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something like that

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it's an interesting blog as usual

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and uh i think that's about it i want to

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thank all the people that watch the show

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and listen and thank you to the

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supporters out there

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the

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information to do that is over at

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podcastufo.com

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and that's enough of me bringing in our

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guest gary welcome

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hello how are you

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i'm doing great thanks so much for being

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willing to be on this show it actually

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took a while we uh we had it back and

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forth for quite a while

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but uh i i was telling you off air

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before we started we first talked back

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in uh

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i think it was may 2013 i sent you a

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of a spoof on dr grier's alien baby

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i set to the tune with having my baby

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instead it was greer in his baby

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anyway the only video ever removed from

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youtube on my channel but and i have no

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trademark or something probably

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yes somehow i don't know uh but anyway

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uh your interest goes way back um i've

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on and you you're you and a lot of

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trickles over into this and i think what

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science fiction does it kind of opens

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possibilities of things that might

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but um you're ed you you you've got a

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wonderful education you are

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at stanford uh a wonderful school and uh

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i guess you know before we get into how

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you really got into this topic and get

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interested in doing your work and all

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that um

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your relationship with the people

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at stanford since you've kind of dove

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the atacama um issue arose for instance

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uh that went on you know newspaper

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uh who was the person who actually

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we love dogs on this show

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who had originally obtained the the the

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um the mummy and how it was that

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you know uh you know leaving a lot of

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those let's say accusations aside uh

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ability and helped me

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say emotional about it because there

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uh and so they've been nothing but great

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and there's you know nobody

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investigations i mean they raise their

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eyebrows they snicker sometimes but

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you know as long as i maintain my

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my day job uh and i'm not on the

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lecturing people about this you know

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you say that you actually had some of

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that uh investigation you did on that

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position the paper and make sure all the

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right caveats are put in so um you know

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incoming fire

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about tenure is that it it gives you the

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option to just speak your mind

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but it was it was pretty close in his

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i don't know if you've ever heard of

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looking oh yeah no i know i know quite

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yeah i know the whole thing

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spoiler alert everyone this is uh this

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right i mean they're still kind i mean

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we know what it is and i didn't know

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what it was when i first got it i

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thought it was a monkey

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returned and and treated like that

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what was touted for a while as the

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alien which was also a mummy

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of an old cod kodak slide and it was

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basically images it was pictures that

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and they were trying to sell them off i

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saw that in a glass case yeah that's

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correct yeah yeah and then also this the

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about right exactly yeah yeah well

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that's another one

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well i i you know i i brought the owner

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of the skull out to stanford and i took

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uh to our high-end tomography um set up

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we have there's an experimental

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tomography setup not the not the normal

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medical one um and we did a high

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resolution scan i still got it on my

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computer somewhere i sent it off to them

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specialist and i said is there anything

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unusual about this

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obviously it's got it's got problems but

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uh disorder that we can see clearly

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dna or showed me some dna sequence and

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the dna sequence was frankly just

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rubbish

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it was basically probably

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fungus dna contaminating the sample

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honestly oh i see yeah yeah and and does

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you have to be so careful about

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contamination right i mean it could any

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type of work you're doing it's could

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throw i mean it's such sensitive

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material overall right i mean well the i

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mean

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all of these techniques are using a

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technology at the start called dna

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amplification or polymerase chain

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reaction

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and it's something that can take a

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single molecule and make it into 10

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trillion

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copies of it and so if if you have one

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piece of dna you know in your sample

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that replicates just a little bit faster

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during the amplification process and the

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stuff that you're interested in

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it will take over the sample

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it's just evolution

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but when you're tested yep

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have you heard of dr michael master's

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theory that

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what we're seeing here is possibly time

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travelers

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yeah yeah

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that's that's another fascinating

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you know uh theory out there i think

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yeah

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look there's

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lots of different things and and you

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know he he paints a very interesting

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speculative story i i can't prove or

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disprove it

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you know but i know one thing that that

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you know i've learned enough about

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jacques valet from

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constant interaction with him he lives

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nearby

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uh that his

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his uh retort would likely be something

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along the lines of or maybe it's

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something that's trying to look like

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hey not bad not bad

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so here here's a question i it's off

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topic more or less but i always want to

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ask someone like you

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the very first spark of life

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how

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does someone like you think that could

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well i i would recommend um

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uh

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people read a book by

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richard dawkins the selfish gene

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he goes into that quite a bit

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um and some old scientific american

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things about something called quasi

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species and hyper cycles

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and but the the essential notion is that

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once you have something which can let's

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say is the template for self-replication

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right something that can can bind itself

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and can then

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polymerize more copies of itself or

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enable more copies of itself

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in a unrestricted resource-free

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environment it will take over that

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environment right that's just the

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selfish gene hypothesis

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um but the problem is that you need to

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surround things

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uh with um

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walls to protect your resource from

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somebody else's resource and that was

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probably something akin to the first

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cell

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right now whether it's rna or protein or

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dna and how it all came along

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uh is you know open to interpretation

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and have been a couple of nobel prizes i

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think jack sastak got the one about the

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rna world at harvard

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um

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and uh

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you know but i think the interesting

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thing is there's a there's a paper out

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there

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um

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about when the

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life potentially began and without going

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into all the glory details of it the

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trajectory projection

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points to life beginning something

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around 10 billion years ago

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right by looking at dna code and

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assembly and how fast it changes

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uh

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there's a problem with that

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yeah

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so

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either

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the things that they were measuring

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happened very fast asymptotically and

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then curved off

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to a linear and that we're only looking

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at the linear and they were ignoring

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something that happened very quickly

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or it did go all the way back and

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panspermia

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is the right interpretation of how life

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got here and people say oh how could

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life get here well because everything in

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your molecule in your body came from an

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exploded sun somewhere supernovas yeah

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you know

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12 billion years ago so it it

404
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stuff happens

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kind of

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right and one of the one of the things i

407
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also think about is um

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how could we possibly have all this life

409
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starting from a single cell you know one

410
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the first single cell

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and then eventually out of the ocean and

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all that and

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and when it comes to the human

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you know

415
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it just seems like we developed awfully

416
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fast you know maybe

417
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:14,720
maybe i'm totally off on that i don't

418
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know you know someone like you studies

419
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,160
this all the time

420
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,600
yeah i don't i don't have a problem with

421
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:21,759
trump see a guy brian kelly in here no

422
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:23,519
way there was time for such randomness

423
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:25,600
talk about junk science you know look

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that's what if that's what you want to

425
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:28,079
believe go ahead and believe it why

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don't you just go read a book

427
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,120
uh like the selfish gene and the the

428
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watchmaker the uh the blind watchmaker

429
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,079
uh come back to me then and if you've

430
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:40,959
actually read that book uh then i'll in

431
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then i will um

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you know entertain your

433
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:47,199
uh intelligent design

434
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:50,480
period paragraph

435
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,720
okay well uh speaking of that i will be

436
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taking uh

437
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we are we are we have moderators in

438
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there if there's any uh you know any

439
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,399
trouble but also i will be trying to get

440
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,880
some questions up i i i kind of made the

441
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,720
mistake last week

442
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and said

443
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:08,079
to the audience i said who's coming up

444
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this week and i said if you have any

445
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:10,640
questions

446
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,280
please email me i gave them my email

447
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:15,919
address and they came in every type of

448
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communication that i have possible the

449
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,199
questions came in so um facebook which i

450
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never go on and and and uh

451
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,640
uh

452
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:25,679
you know

453
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:28,000
i was waiting for like linkedin messages

454
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:29,440
but i didn't get those but i do have

455
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:31,360
some questions that did come in we also

456
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,000
have questions in the chat that are i i

457
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:37,520
will try to get to reading your chat

458
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,120
what's that i think i can't do two

459
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,200
things at once i'm reading that's right

460
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:43,760
and it's it's it's actually hard for me

461
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,360
hey would you mind we there's lou is in

462
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,200
is in do you mind if i just pull them in

463
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,640
the three of us together

464
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:52,880
sure all the way through

465
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,679
here we go lou welcome to the show

466
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:57,840
hey martin how are you gary great to see

467
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:59,600
you again how you doing my friend

468
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,960
great you probably didn't know i was

469
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:03,039
going to bring you in this early but

470
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,880
here we are no i was actually listening

471
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,120
to gary you know i'm kind of like a

472
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:08,799
closet gary fan

473
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,679
uh despite uh of course i

474
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:13,440
me knowing gary for quite some time in

475
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,960
his work in atip

476
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,039
um you know from from a wannabe

477
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,440
immunologist like myself to you know to

478
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,799
a

479
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:22,880
nobel nominee you know he he kind of

480
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,160
represents that

481
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,160
that you know everything i always wanted

482
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,640
to be as a microbiologist immunologist

483
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,120
so uh forgive me for for

484
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:33,280
sneaking in the back of the church but i

485
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,720
wanted to uh to to hear gary uh i'm a

486
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,559
pretty big fan of gary

487
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,960
yeah and vice versa

488
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,400
yes right well

489
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:44,160
i think uh you know you

490
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,360
both of you

491
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:47,520
have given so much credibility to this

492
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,640
topic have helped um so much and it's

493
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,880
it's really you know it's been i i've

494
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:54,799
seen such a change

495
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,280
since 2017 till now i mean i i used to

496
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,600
do this show and be i'm a professional

497
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,360
as far as i'm a fine art appraiser and

498
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,440
antiques and all that and i used to be

499
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,440
scared to death to bring up this hey you

500
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,080
know i do a show on ufos i'm not afraid

501
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,720
at all i i bring it up quite often these

502
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,799
days and i don't well bart if

503
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,280
i can real part of that is is thanks to

504
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,360
gary uh you know gary is one of those

505
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:21,440
guys who who has gone

506
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,000
really uh in the shadows for a long time

507
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,080
and until recently most people had no

508
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:28,480
idea publicly anyways i mean of course

509
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,160
we knew who he was inside the government

510
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,559
but publicly very few people knew what

511
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:35,039
gary was really doing uh for us behind

512
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,080
the scenes

513
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,960
and i gotta tell you um at some point

514
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:40,320
you know my my hope is that the world

515
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,799
will get a chance to know just

516
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:43,919
truly and i'm not saying this because

517
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,039
gary's my friend i'm telling you

518
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,360
honestly the guy has done more for this

519
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:49,679
country in this topic than just about

520
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:52,880
anybody else and um you know i certainly

521
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,360
i'm humbled to to call him a colleague

522
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,000
and a friend um but we we're better off

523
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,000
for it and this topic is way better off

524
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,640
for it and the type of rigor that he

525
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,200
applies in looking at this topic has

526
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,679
really helped us within the us

527
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,280
government have a much better

528
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:12,000
understanding potentially potentially

529
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,679
what we're dealing with um if you ever

530
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,280
had a chance to talk to gary this is a

531
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:18,000
guy he's an obs kind of guy i mean

532
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,520
zero bs

533
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,799
and um

534
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,720
and he's committed and he's he's a

535
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,400
consummate professional

536
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,720
and uh all i can say is you know we're

537
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:29,039
we're certainly my colleagues and myself

538
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,559
are certainly blessed

539
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,360
to to call him uh to call him friend uh

540
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:35,280
especially on this topic he has really

541
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,080
helped

542
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,480
move the needle forward and and i will

543
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,240
tell you at some point the us government

544
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:42,080
will probably come out and acknowledge

545
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,799
just

546
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,640
how helpful he's been but i can tell you

547
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,240
until that point comes

548
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:49,360
i'll tell you with with no uncertainty

549
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,400
um

550
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,039
gary is is truly a national treasure uh

551
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,039
it's it's absolutely incredible what

552
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,159
he's been able to do for us

553
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:00,640
oh thank you

554
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:03,200
there goes his head my head

555
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,480
through the door

556
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:06,960
no i'm not i'm not saying that uh just

557
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,000
to say that i i i mean it um at some

558
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,960
point

559
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,000
um

560
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:13,760
you know my my hope is that people can

561
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,559
really get a chance to to know who gary

562
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,159
is not just professionally but as a

563
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:20,799
human being and what he's been able to

564
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,280
to do for us uh and by the way it's it's

565
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,440
not over um he he's still

566
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,440
very forgive me for saying this but but

567
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,320
he's still working for the cause um on a

568
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,440
regular continuing basis and it's uh

569
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,919
it's been an honor and privilege uh

570
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,159
to know that he's been you know on on

571
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,440
this journey with us this entire time

572
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,919
well lou and i are looking forward to

573
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,559
working together now in let's say some

574
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,840
more formal

575
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,240
manners uh that we'll be able to talk

576
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,679
about um in the near future more for me

577
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,679
more on the academic side

578
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,720
uh lieu more on the things that he's

579
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,960
been doing before but i think the

580
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,120
community at large is going to

581
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,400
uh really be thankful for how we're

582
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,640
trying to make this more transparent and

583
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,200
academic i mean the objective here and

584
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,520
lou and i have had many conversations

585
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,520
about this along with sean cahill and

586
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:16,400
others

587
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,720
um of how do we bring in other academics

588
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,480
make it respectable

589
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,640
fund some of this work

590
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,280
right not fund it within the government

591
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,919
fund it outside of the government

592
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,240
right so that people can do what

593
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,480
scientists normally do fight with each

594
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:37,039
other about what's right

595
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,000
right

596
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,360
and you know

597
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,679
argue over the data

598
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,520
and so you know it's just it's not a

599
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,679
good idea to have an executive

600
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,600
or a politician

601
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,520
put the data in a drawer

602
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,600
or try to interpret it

603
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,840
with whatever their agenda is right it's

604
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,760
get it out there so that you know

605
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,760
transparency does

606
00:23:02,950 --> 00:22:59,520
scare away the cockroaches and

607
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,960
transparency does allow you to look at

608
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,120
all sides of the issue

609
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,520
and so that's really what my objective

610
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,640
is and i i've told everybody that i've

611
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,679
been interacting with i said

612
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:16,240
i'm only interested in doing this if we

613
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:19,120
get the chance to publish it

614
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,480
right

615
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:23,039
gary i agree with that

616
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,000
yeah

617
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,600
transparency

618
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,520
it's not an uh it's not negotiable we

619
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,200
got we got to be as transparent as we

620
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,640
possibly can and by the way real quick

621
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,000
before i know martin you got something

622
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,400
to say let me just apologize for sean

623
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,679
not being here uh with us today

624
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:39,520
he's on a plane back he spent the week

625
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,360
with me uh here in in wyoming he's now

626
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,000
headed back uh to california but he

627
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,679
wanted me to express to you and your

628
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,400
audience his apologies for for not being

629
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,919
here this evening with us

630
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:53,440
yeah well thank you yeah i forgot to

631
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,559
mention that at the beginning why he

632
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,039
wasn't here uh gary first of all is the

633
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,799
dog behind you still alive yes he is uh

634
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,159
he um

635
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:05,760
he sleeps like that he's 15 years old

636
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,559
so

637
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,440
um

638
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,320
you know he gets tired pretty easily

639
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,880
yeah okay and gary i want to say to your

640
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,600
credit um someone that's in the science

641
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:18,720
realm uh told me they contacted you

642
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
and uh kind of um

643
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:23,760
you know went point

644
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:27,120
over point with uh the paper uh that you

645
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,080
have

646
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,159
published on the on the crash materials

647
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,120
or whatever and said you were very very

648
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,480
kind and uh and you didn't throw your

649
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,440
ego around and that's uh what you see a

650
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,360
lot of times when someone has

651
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,360
something out there

652
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,679
a lot of times there's an ego that

653
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,320
seems to push against whatever

654
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,720
but it sounds like you're very open to

655
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,039
uh to the possibility of finding new

656
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,600
data and wherever it leads which is yeah

657
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,919
i mean you know that

658
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,440
the data

659
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,200
always needs to be reinterpreted and

660
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,159
there's always a better person than

661
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,799
you out there that might see it from

662
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,400
an angle you didn't

663
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,440
um or know a better analysis technique

664
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,120
that should have been applied

665
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,360
so i never have a problem with somebody

666
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,799
saying hey you should have done this

667
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,960
rather than that or oh by the way you

668
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,720
missed this

669
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,549
why unless you're trying to fool

670
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,120
somebody why would you be afraid

671
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,919
yeah that's right and like you said

672
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:32,080
transparency i think that's the best way

673
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,120
and

674
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:35,200
speaking of that you know how do you

675
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,159
think

676
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,720
uh the transparency will be lou i guess

677
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,960
i'm gonna direct this to you uh moving

678
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,240
forward with what the government is

679
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,039
setting up uh do you um i hear a lot of

680
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,960
controversy about that

681
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,400
yeah it's it's a step in the right

682
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,400
direction um

683
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,320
they are uh they're taking the topic

684
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,400
seriously both the i mean we forget that

685
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,159
the government isn't this great big

686
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,679
monolith it's composed of of three

687
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,440
different if you will departments right

688
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,039
your branches you have the executive

689
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,559
branch the legislative branch and the

690
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,840
judicial branch

691
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,080
in this particular case the legislative

692
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,919
branch has put sufficient amount of

693
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
pressure on the executive branch to do

694
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,000
the right thing you now have the

695
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,880
establishment of the aoimsg

696
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,360
office um as of today the funding bill

697
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,559
was signed

698
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,360
uh so there's actually funding for this

699
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,679
this capability that will reside within

700
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
my old office under the under secretary

701
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,520
of defense for intelligence

702
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,080
um there is some renewed commitment by

703
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:34,960
senior leaders in the u.s government to

704
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,240
continue to tackle this this topic um

705
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,919
and and keep it as a priority look i

706
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,559
gotta tell you a major kudos to to avril

707
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,960
haynes uh our first female director of

708
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,960
national intelligence she is taking this

709
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,279
topic very very seriously

710
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,520
and um you know she she's not looking to

711
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,720
pass the buck

712
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,520
uh i i think there's been some renewed

713
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,640
um

714
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,320
energy if you will

715
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,960
within my old office the usdi my primary

716
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,880
concern initially was that they were

717
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,320
going to go ahead and subordinate this

718
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,240
office the way they did before when when

719
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,080
i was in the usdi

720
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,120
uh and it looks like that may not be the

721
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,600
case that those individuals that that

722
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,120
had a chance to do the right thing and

723
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,000
fail will not be given another chance to

724
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,240
to manage this portfolio and they will

725
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,559
bring in fresh blood both civilian and

726
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,080
military leadership and i think that's

727
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,399
fantastic that's exactly what we need we

728
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,480
need uh people that will will look at

729
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,799
this topic objectively

730
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,960
not try to hold a grudge and say well

731
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,159
you know because i didn't know about

732
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,760
this before i'm not going to take it

733
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,840
seriously now no you will and by the way

734
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,240
it's law and and if you don't now you're

735
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,520
breaking the law so i i think um

736
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,880
i think we're definitely on the right

737
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,559
path we have a ways to go we're

738
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,000
definitely not at the finish line yet

739
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,159
this is why i said a long time ago

740
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,840
i tried to brace everybody look this is

741
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,320
a marathon this isn't a sprint so if

742
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,480
you're looking for you know some sort of

743
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,600
immediate uh satisfaction to this

744
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,000
that's this is not the case this this is

745
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,240
going to take a while but we've come a

746
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,480
really far a really long way in just

747
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,720
just four years and i think gary's

748
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,799
absolutely right transparency

749
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,880
sunlight sometimes is the very best

750
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,159
antiseptic

751
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,159
and and i think that's that's what's

752
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,399
needed on this topic um for far too long

753
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,159
we've relegated this topic

754
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,720
uh to to the air publicly to the areas

755
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,360
of fringe and within the government uh

756
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,240
the areas of over secrecy and it really

757
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,720
hasn't done us any good not just from a

758
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,640
governmental perspective but certainly

759
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,720
from a public perspective so so the time

760
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,039
has come and and martin's saying thanks

761
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,559
to you and other people

762
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,480
uh we're finally able to have this

763
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,919
conversation

764
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,360
um

765
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,880
you know you said in the beginning here

766
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,720
and i want to thank you for this for for

767
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:47,600
not

768
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,200
there's and i'm only gonna say this one

769
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,880
time that i'm gonna move on there's a

770
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,600
lot of people out there um that don't

771
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,360
want the truth to be told

772
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,520
and they will obfuscate and they will do

773
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,080
whatever they can to make a lot of noise

774
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,360
and and to try to detract from from

775
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,640
what's happening

776
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:09,039
in the us government and and with our

777
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,000
efforts

778
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,159
um the only thing i can say is the

779
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,399
reason why you'll see guys like gary and

780
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,080
me pulling out

781
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,799
uh out of the the public spotlight to

782
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,399
some degree is that

783
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,000
look we're trying to be as fair and

784
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,159
transparent as possible but we got a

785
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,640
real job to do and and for all those

786
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,399
detractors out there

787
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,840
look you had a chance you had a chance

788
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,600
to be part of the conversation and you

789
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,520
chose not to be and so

790
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,120
look rather than than being part of the

791
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,640
conversation you can just wait and be

792
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,559
told what to think you know and i hate

793
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,640
to say that and this has not directed

794
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,640
anybody anybody out there right now in

795
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,240
your audience or anybody else who's been

796
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,000
following this topic and really wants to

797
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,760
know and they've been asking the good

798
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,440
questions i've been following this topic

799
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,279
for the last four years this is not

800
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,360
directed at them this is directed for

801
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,279
the small handful of people who've tried

802
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,679
to hijack this conversation and either

803
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,240
try to enrich their pockets with it or

804
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,480
for whatever reason try to to control

805
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,679
the narrative

806
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,919
those days are over we are

807
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:07,600
folks like gary and myself we are moving

808
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:08,399
forward

809
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,039
and i gotta i gotta tell you within

810
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,559
within the next year i think people are

811
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,760
gonna be

812
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,399
really really surprised and and probably

813
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,640
amazed on on how far we've come with

814
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,720
this conversation things are happening

815
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:23,679
every day

816
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,200
information being brought up to the us

817
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,640
government which will ultimately make

818
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,559
its way to congress which will hopefully

819
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,240
ultimately make its way to the american

820
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,880
people uh we can't short circuit that

821
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
process i can't go out and do what

822
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:41,440
edward snowden did and certainly now

823
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,640
that can gary

824
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,640
but we are trying to work within the

825
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,600
system and i think i think we're really

826
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,440
close i think we're really close to this

827
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,960
this moment that everybody's been kind

828
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,120
of waiting for for the last whether it's

829
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,039
four years or four decades or frankly

830
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:56,640
the last seven decades

831
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,600
i think martin we're really really close

832
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,679
and we have support like we've never had

833
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,679
before and we've got data like we've

834
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:05,279
never had before

835
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,240
yeah

836
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:08,960
and and speaking of data um a lot of

837
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,159
people have asked me this question why

838
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,399
you know why not look at historical

839
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,279
cases and i always hear back that's

840
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,960
because you know they didn't have the

841
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,120
recording they weren't able to record it

842
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,120
with as as well as they can with the

843
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,919
equipment but uh certainly

844
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:28,320
there's been so many great cases over

845
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,360
the years

846
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,440
does that mean we should just ignore all

847
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,360
the old cases

848
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,200
no no no absolutely not that's not what

849
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,960
that means what it simply means is that

850
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:39,840
for our our officials in government

851
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,360
these are folks that have very uh narrow

852
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,279
bandwidth they are dealing with all

853
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,200
sorts of issues right now whether it's

854
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,080
economic issues or or ukraine or all

855
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,399
these other issues so so what we what we

856
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,360
have to try to do is deliver information

857
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,480
in bite-sized pieces and if you go back

858
00:32:02,710 --> 00:31:59,760
historically

859
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,720
to the 70s and the 60s and the 50s and

860
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,000
the 40s

861
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,080
it's it's interesting information but to

862
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,760
a lot of these folks it's considered

863
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:09,039
anecdotal

864
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,480
i'm not saying it's not important what

865
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:11,919
i'm simply saying is we don't have the

866
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,720
fidelity of information and most of the

867
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,159
people frankly back then aren't even

868
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,279
around they're dead so you know we can

869
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,559
spend our time

870
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,960
focusing on some of these older events

871
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,200
or we can spend our time focusing on the

872
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,720
new events that are just as compelling

873
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,640
but by the way we've got a lot more data

874
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,159
right we've got the electro optical data

875
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,519
we've got the radar data we've got the

876
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,279
telemetry data we've got you know

877
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,919
hyperspectral potentially and sonar and

878
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,080
other stuff so again let me let me

879
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,399
reiterate martin it's not that it's not

880
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:42,640
important it is important but if you

881
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:46,159
only have so much resource to go around

882
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,600
you have to you have to choose

883
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,640
priorities and those priorities are are

884
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,559
in some cases based upon

885
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,919
the amount of information you have

886
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,559
available to you so do you want to spend

887
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,279
a finite amount of resources looking at

888
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,880
something that happened in the 50s or

889
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,399
the 60s or do you want to spend on

890
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,080
something that happened let's say

891
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,480
last week with a you know a

892
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,960
nuclear aircraft carrier and so that's

893
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,399
where the whole racking and stacking

894
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,799
comes into place so once again let me

895
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:15,120
reiterate it's not that the old cases

896
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,159
aren't interesting and they're not

897
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,840
compelling and they're not they're not

898
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,440
they're not informative they are

899
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,960
absolutely

900
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,120
but you only have enough resources to

901
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,399
cover so much

902
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,320
we are finally at the point where the

903
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,399
american government has

904
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,799
vis-a-vis the the legislators and the

905
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,960
american people have now required to

906
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,840
spend more money more resources on this

907
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,720
topic

908
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,480
so i think as time goes on we're going

909
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,600
to see

910
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,760
more of that historical data being

911
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,279
incorporated there are several efforts i

912
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,279
won't go into detail right now to

913
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,279
incorporate some of that historical data

914
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,399
and see if we can can find similarities

915
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,640
in current information trends right

916
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,399
trend analysis like we call it

917
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,519
intelligence

918
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,919
and in so doing you know help us

919
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,360
understand look

920
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,640
how long have we really been dealing

921
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,399
with this phenomenon right because a lot

922
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,919
of people will say well

923
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,200
this could be russian this could be

924
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,480
chinese okay but we were seeing the same

925
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,960
things in the 50s here's the radar track

926
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,240
here's the telemetry here's the

927
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,839
eyewitness data

928
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,520
let's face it no countries in the 50s

929
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,200
had this technology arguably we don't

930
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,200
have this technology now but certainly

931
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,839
in the 50s we didn't have it so as time

932
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,960
goes on i think we're going to see more

933
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:24,159
of that historical information

934
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:27,919
incorporated into into current efforts

935
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,800
right no no i agree that uh

936
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,399
uh yeah the one thing that was a little

937
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,599
frustrating was the fact that when

938
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,960
people were

939
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,639
out there saying oh this is just you

940
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,480
know technology that we don't know about

941
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,480
and you know our black project or

942
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,800
something like that but the same exact

943
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,359
things were seen you know 50 years ago

944
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,399
and they

945
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,159
they act like they're they're basically

946
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,480
unaware of that gary um

947
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,520
so

948
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,480
how does your expertise uh what what

949
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:58,800
type of focus would you have in in

950
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,160
research um that you do when it comes to

951
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,560
uh this topic i mean what do you get

952
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:06,800
involved in besides the uh better

953
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,430
up let me uh um unmute your mic gary oh

954
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,400
yeah

955
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:19,920
i think at a high level um

956
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,480
the project overall needs uh a

957
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,079
scientific inclination and somebody

958
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,000
who's run large projects

959
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,480
scientifically and knows what the

960
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,640
you know what's required for a

961
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,839
publication

962
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,599
right how do you do it right how do you

963
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,079
not go overboard how do you caveat the

964
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,000
writing of it so that nobody walks away

965
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,839
with the wrong interpretation

966
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,240
and so at one level especially when it

967
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,760
comes to like meta materials when i'm

968
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,920
not a metallogist but

969
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,920
i know enough to bring in the right

970
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,359
kinds of people

971
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,119
and to garner the kinds of

972
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,200
instrumentation in one place to create a

973
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,040
pipeline to do the analysis i wasn't

974
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,280
able to do that before right to do it

975
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,040
correctly i did it all out of my own

976
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,880
pocket literally and it cost me about

977
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,480
fifty thousand dollars or so out of my

978
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,400
own pocket to do the stuff that went

979
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,440
into that council bluffs uh paper

980
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,119
um and so you know but but

981
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,960
if you're talking about an actual piece

982
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,320
of technology

983
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,839
right that you want to understand you

984
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,520
need to understand it right down to

985
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,680
probably the atomic level

986
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,839
so to do that we need new kinds of

987
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,760
instrumentation and so the last two or

988
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,520
three years i've actually been working

989
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,040
on something like that

990
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,560
right and i'm actually was

991
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,480
i almost missed your podcast because i

992
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,800
was in the middle of writing a grant

993
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,280
to put together the money for the thing

994
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,839
and i got so focused on it uh that i

995
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,400
almost lost track of you guys

996
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,640
um yeah and and so

997
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,280
again i'm not a specialist in that area

998
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,079
but i know enough about how to bring

999
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,320
my talents for building instruments to

1000
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,520
it and i'm using frankly biology and the

1001
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,040
kind of biology that i want to do in

1002
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:56,560
cancer research

1003
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,000
as the as the leverage to show people

1004
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,680
why it's important

1005
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,800
right and then once the show is

1006
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,200
important for that it'll be it's just it

1007
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,960
is just as important for any kind of

1008
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,480
other material

1009
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,320
so you know let's say that somebody gave

1010
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,920
me a piece of

1011
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,359
they claim

1012
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,960
body

1013
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,560
of something

1014
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:18,000
okay now there are ways that i can look

1015
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,839
at it to see if it's if it's you know

1016
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,800
earth-based but then if i don't know

1017
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,720
what it is and i if it doesn't have dna

1018
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,640
or doesn't have proteins how do i figure

1019
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,000
out what it is

1020
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,839
so there's like a whole slew of tests

1021
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,280
that you could run but at the end of the

1022
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,720
day what you really want to know is the

1023
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,160
atomic structure

1024
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,560
right because the atomic so there's an

1025
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,720
old saying in biology

1026
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,280
form equals function

1027
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,680
right so if you understand structure and

1028
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,920
form you can understand the function of

1029
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,320
something frankly just by looking at it

1030
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,119
so much of biology that we do for

1031
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,839
instance is you create all of these tags

1032
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,359
and you look around inside of a black

1033
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,960
box and you feel around and you draw

1034
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,800
what you think you're feeling

1035
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,440
right why not just take the picture

1036
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:02,960
the ultimate picture is the atomic

1037
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,400
structure so i would rather spend two or

1038
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,359
three years making that

1039
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,359
than spending two or three years getting

1040
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,240
what i know are inadequate answers

1041
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,640
because in those three years i will have

1042
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:19,119
catapulted us up to a level of

1043
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,480
capability

1044
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,480
that will be beneficial to everybody and

1045
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,160
that's how i've always run what i'm

1046
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,839
doing

1047
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,960
you know one of the things that people

1048
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,320
don't understand is you don't have to be

1049
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,720
an expert in everything to be good at

1050
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,760
something

1051
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,119
you just need to understand how the

1052
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,960
black box operates what goes in what

1053
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,640
comes out i don't need to know what the

1054
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,720
mess the sausage factory that goes on

1055
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,030
no i totally get that moves and take

1056
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,119
advantage of of technology that's

1057
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,880
available

1058
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,960
i actually get that in the way i do my

1059
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,760
work

1060
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,599
you know i can't specialize in

1061
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,720
everything

1062
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,520
but um i know how to get there you know

1063
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:57,359
and when i'm doing my research

1064
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:01,119
um which uh yeah i mean that's kind of a

1065
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,480
a long way around but still um

1066
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,880
i wha what's happening here you gary

1067
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,720
you're on for this first hour and then

1068
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,880
luzon because i got so many questions

1069
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,880
for both of you and uh

1070
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,240
some people are going to get a little

1071
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:15,520
upset that i didn't get to their

1072
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,960
questions but um for gary

1073
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,920
traveling aliens so i'm happy

1074
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:23,920
that's right

1075
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,640
uh

1076
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,320
yeah you know time is another one that

1077
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:28,160
seems to come up on this this show what

1078
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,440
you were talking about gary was so

1079
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,760
fascinating to me i really want to look

1080
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:33,920
into this when you start talking about

1081
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,280
that that it appears that life goes back

1082
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,119
10 billion years when we're only 4

1083
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,359
billion years uh that that is

1084
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,599
fascinating to me and i i'd like to know

1085
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,440
more about that i'd like i'm going to be

1086
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,359
looking into that a little bit but

1087
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,800
gary um

1088
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,880
what's that i'll send you the paper it's

1089
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,320
fascinating oh

1090
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,200
excellent excellent so uh someone wanted

1091
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,760
to know gary if you had the chance and i

1092
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,359
don't even know if you know about this

1093
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,240
but to compare or look at the isotope

1094
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,760
ratios of what roger dr roger lear these

1095
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,760
are what people have

1096
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,839
uh had removed from them that they were

1097
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,440
calling them implants i don't know if

1098
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,520
you even had heard anything about that

1099
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:16,560
oh no i i have um

1100
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,640
and my primary issue with it is that and

1101
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,240
i've been given some of these materials

1102
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,640
and i sent them back as soon as possible

1103
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,839
um because uh they didn't come with the

1104
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,480
associated consent forms

1105
00:40:35,230 --> 00:40:32,560
right that are required for any kind of

1106
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,240
study with human materials they weren't

1107
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:36,800
de-identified

1108
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:39,680
and basically i would end up in front of

1109
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,440
you know the stanford's version of the

1110
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,200
of the star chamber

1111
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:48,079
uh if i were to have analyzed those

1112
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,960
things

1113
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,599
um and so that doesn't mean though that

1114
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,880
you can't go

1115
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,960
forward with this you just need to have

1116
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,760
in place the consent forms the

1117
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,839
allowances the institutional review

1118
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,079
board etc that allows you to do that

1119
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,720
because god help it if the somebody took

1120
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,319
something out and didn't send it off to

1121
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,200
a pathologist it ended up being a cancer

1122
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,560
and then you're basically looking at it

1123
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,000
trying to prove that it's an alien

1124
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,880
implant and the person dies from cancer

1125
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,200
oh wow yeah a lot of liability there a

1126
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,280
lot of liability i mean i mean it's not

1127
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,520
just the lawyers it's just maybe i might

1128
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,119
feel bad about that

1129
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,079
right it's just you know just something

1130
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,000
that shouldn't be done and so that's why

1131
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,319
there are these processes

1132
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,400
that we can put in place and

1133
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,319
you know should somebody come with a

1134
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,839
credible story

1135
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,560
of such a thing

1136
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,160
now we mentally at least have the

1137
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,000
process and soon we'll have the formal

1138
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,079
ability to do it

1139
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:46,000
i see uh-huh thank you

1140
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,839
uh blue uh i heard you say on

1141
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:50,640
uh

1142
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,400
this last interview but one before

1143
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,240
i'm paraphrasing here

1144
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,319
but something along the lines you you

1145
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,800
posed a question

1146
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,839
uh

1147
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,280
what if there's some type of

1148
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,400
intelligence a higher intelligence that

1149
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,839
might be here

1150
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:11,920
that we're not aware of

1151
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:17,910
yeah i do

1152
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,359
and can you elaborate any more on that

1153
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,760
what where you're getting at

1154
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,880
yeah i mean

1155
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,640
i mean

1156
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,480
joking aside i would argue that my dog

1157
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,160
is smarter than the vast majority of

1158
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,880
people out there including myself uh but

1159
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,480
in reality

1160
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,359
um

1161
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,440
we we are we are

1162
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,520
we are learning more and more about this

1163
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,599
little biome we call planet earth every

1164
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,560
day

1165
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:46,160
and we continue to discover new species

1166
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,920
um i said before you know there were

1167
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,079
for for hundreds of years there were the

1168
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,560
the three primary kingdoms of life forms

1169
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,359
on this planet that was plants animals

1170
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,800
and fungus

1171
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,920
and lo and behold after all this time of

1172
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,520
our species being here let's say a

1173
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,000
hundred thousand years as homo sapien

1174
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,319
sapiens it turns out in just the last

1175
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,040
century alone right just just the last

1176
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,720
lesson one percent of our time as a

1177
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,760
species we discovered that there is a

1178
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,040
another

1179
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,880
been sharing this planet with us

1180
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,520
uh that it's biomass if you were to take

1181
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,400
all the biomass of all the animals

1182
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,400
all the biomass of all the plants and

1183
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:30,079
all the biomass of all the fungus

1184
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,280
together

1185
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,920
wouldn't equal up to the biomass of this

1186
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,160
hidden living kingdom that we've been

1187
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,520
sharing this planet with that's been

1188
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,960
invisible to us

1189
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,359
all along and that is the the if you

1190
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,599
will and gary can elaborate on this this

1191
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,240
this whole kingdom of microorganisms

1192
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,160
that we've been inhabiting uh this

1193
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,640
planet with for for since potentially

1194
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,480
the beginning um

1195
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,640
and so we you know

1196
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,400
i think we have to remain humble as a

1197
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,720
species we have to recognize look almost

1198
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,960
every week scientists are discovering

1199
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
new species on this planet species that

1200
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,359
we thought were extinct new types of

1201
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:07,680
extremophiles that live in the bottom of

1202
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,040
the arctic ice miles below the ice or

1203
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,880
below the ocean that don't even rely on

1204
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,240
photosynthesis but rely on

1205
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,119
chemosynthesis right

1206
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,119
to some degree living things at

1207
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:20,560
potentially living things that don't

1208
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,720
even have

1209
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,240
deoxyribonucleic acid dna the building

1210
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,560
blocks of life that we have we have long

1211
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,440
held to be part of being a a living

1212
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,680
thing uh there are some things out there

1213
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,680
like viruses that that survive solely

1214
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,200
off of rna

1215
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,520
ribonucleic acid and so

1216
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,280
we're always adjusting our definition of

1217
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:40,880
what life is

1218
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,000
is it possible that in in the centuries

1219
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,160
of our search for life

1220
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,240
in our solar system whether it's

1221
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,119
microorganisms on mars or techno

1222
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,200
signatures within our milk milky way

1223
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,400
galaxy

1224
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,640
that during the time of our evolution of

1225
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,640
our species that some sort of

1226
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,200
intelligent life has found us first or

1227
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,680
perhaps has cohabitated with us

1228
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,680
oceans are huge and we are now seeing

1229
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,520
that there is a direct correlation

1230
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,480
between

1231
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,920
uap or unidentified aerial phenomenon

1232
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,319
potentially usos

1233
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,200
these are are like ufos but underwater

1234
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,280
are they the same thing have they been

1235
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,200
here the entire time

1236
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,400
we don't know yet but it's certainly

1237
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:26,000
it's certainly a question we have to ask

1238
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:27,359
ourselves if we're going to be truly

1239
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,800
honest with ourselves and um

1240
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,359
i think i think that's fair game um i i

1241
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,040
think it's we have to be careful

1242
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,480
you know we don't want to speculate too

1243
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,680
much

1244
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,760
but i i think we have to leave those

1245
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:41,280
options open you know i've said this

1246
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,319
before

1247
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,160
all options really have to stay on the

1248
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,240
table until they're no longer on the

1249
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,440
table as crazy and fanciful as it may be

1250
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,400
you know

1251
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,839
we really have to consider all options

1252
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,800
yeah thank you yeah and i i know

1253
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,040
we can only we can only see so much of

1254
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:01,359
the spectrum too you know i mean there

1255
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:02,240
could be

1256
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,079
other things non-detectable around us or

1257
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,400
or forgive me if i'm wrong i mean do we

1258
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,440
have all the equipment needed to detect

1259
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,599
things that are around us that we can't

1260
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,160
be aware of well martin we we don't know

1261
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,599
we don't know and gary will tell you the

1262
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,440
same thing what about dark energy and

1263
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:21,440
dark matter though the vast majority of

1264
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,400
mass

1265
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,880
in in in the universe we we can't even

1266
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,480
we can't even measure we can't detect it

1267
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,880
we can't see it yeah so by definition

1268
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,400
most of the universe still remains

1269
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,000
hidden from us i mean if that's anything

1270
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,560
yes if that's any consolation

1271
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,560
yeah yeah

1272
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,640
anything else on that gary here any

1273
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,319
other comment on no i just i was

1274
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,720
literally gonna say the the dark matter

1275
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:44,160
issue and

1276
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,040
um

1277
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,640
you know and i was just i was reading

1278
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:48,640
something just last night about you know

1279
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,920
the the many worlds hypothesis in

1280
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,359
quantum physics

1281
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,040
because it relates to

1282
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,319
some other serious work i'm doing um and

1283
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,040
it kind of drifted off into into that

1284
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:02,880
and you know

1285
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,839
this this notion that things elsewhere

1286
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,760
might influence

1287
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:09,040
us

1288
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,240
right through signals that we can't yet

1289
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,480
contemplate or understand

1290
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,400
right this i mean i've said this before

1291
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,040
this you know you're you're just a a

1292
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,800
bundle of

1293
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,400
quantum waves

1294
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,079
interacting with itself

1295
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,240
uh and that's doing what you are but at

1296
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,599
a higher level your meat brain

1297
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:31,680
interprets you as you and me

1298
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,559
uh but and we interact via quantum

1299
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,760
processes

1300
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,880
every day

1301
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,400
we don't call them that

1302
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,920
and so who's to say that there's not

1303
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,640
other processes going on nearby that

1304
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,200
we're just not aware of

1305
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,079
right some sort of

1306
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,040
energy that is in and of itself

1307
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,839
self self-determining you know one of

1308
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,280
the most interesting ones eric davis

1309
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,040
once pointed me to i hadn't heard of it

1310
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,520
before is this concept called boltzmann

1311
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,280
brains

1312
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,559
and um

1313
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,720
so boltzmann brains this is the famous

1314
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,720
physicist from the late 1800s the german

1315
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,880
phys i think he was german physicist

1316
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,800
where he said well at the instantiation

1317
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,800
of the universe at the big bang there

1318
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:14,640
would have been all possible

1319
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,599
organization of particles in a and

1320
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,119
entered end

1321
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,920
particles in a confined volume which

1322
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,680
meant that every organization of

1323
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,599
anything that was possible was actually

1324
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,599
probably there including things that

1325
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,440
would have been self-aware

1326
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,240
so his his basic notion was that there

1327
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,359
might have been self-aware things

1328
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:37,680
way back almost at the beginning

1329
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,440
that some of which survived the big bang

1330
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,800
and some of which which might have

1331
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,119
learned to self-replicate

1332
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,440
and so whatever that is might have been

1333
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,480
around since the beginning

1334
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,839
if it

1335
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:53,920
it exists but i mean go read it you can

1336
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,800
wiki it and uh absolutely fascinating

1337
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,559
concepts

1338
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,559
yeah yeah i mean

1339
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,240
this you know dark matter and dark

1340
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,800
energy is that that's another topic that

1341
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,800
i find totally fascinating

1342
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,960
um that we have no idea what they are

1343
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,319
and that's when things like the

1344
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,839
multiverse and

1345
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,400
um and all that come come into play i

1346
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,000
mean there's there is an answer for it

1347
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,319
we just don't know what it is

1348
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,839
you know i mean there has to be an

1349
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,599
answer for it

1350
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,960
um there's uh here's a question

1351
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,839
for you uh blue are there

1352
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,000
was there ever any investigations

1353
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,319
outside of the u.s with what you were

1354
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,030
uh

1355
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,359
yes but we had to be very careful

1356
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:41,599
because in ancip we were bound by

1357
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,880
primarily title ten authorities um for i

1358
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,720
don't want to get into nuances here but

1359
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,040
so people understand um

1360
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,280
the way the us government works

1361
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,960
national security department of defense

1362
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,400
operates under title ten authorities

1363
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,880
national security act of 1947. that's

1364
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,319
where those authorities are derived i'm

1365
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,520
not going to give you a lesson here on

1366
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,680
policies and laws but that's where those

1367
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,760
policies are are derived from the

1368
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,200
intelligence community like for example

1369
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,280
director cia those are title 50

1370
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,839
authorities so what that simply means is

1371
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,160
that when you are in a dod organization

1372
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:13,599
you're hamstrung

1373
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,599
to to only operating within your your

1374
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,119
assigned authorities in this particular

1375
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,359
case title 10. so what that means is

1376
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:22,960
that you're really relegated to talking

1377
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,760
to military pilots military personnel

1378
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,640
military contractors and and collecting

1379
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:30,960
your information that way

1380
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,240
that is a a

1381
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,800
fundamentally

1382
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,760
different approach than what you see now

1383
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,079
with the gillibrand law response

1384
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,920
co-sponsored by marco rubio and many

1385
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,839
others which is a whole of government

1386
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,240
approach now you're including faa you're

1387
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:48,079
including dhs you're including the

1388
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,359
intelligence community you're including

1389
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,119
nasa you're including noaa you're

1390
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,200
cleaning department of energy

1391
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,200
it's it's a much bigger piece you're

1392
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,520
also including state local tribal law

1393
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,440
enforcement authorities so now

1394
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,079
you know before where you might get some

1395
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,839
civilian information coming in about a

1396
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,640
ufo who would never reach it to our desk

1397
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,319
because we're we're only focused on

1398
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,079
military equities

1399
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,480
now we have the potential to get

1400
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,720
information from the the tens of

1401
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,720
thousands hundreds of thousands of law

1402
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,319
enforcement officers

1403
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,800
in this country uh reporting on

1404
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,800
incidents that will now make its way up

1405
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,160
to to

1406
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:26,240
to the u.s government and so

1407
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,599
it's it's a huge huge step in the right

1408
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,920
direction we didn't have that

1409
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,079
that privilege when i was working in at

1410
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,480
we had to be very mindful of our

1411
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,000
authorities and what we had to do is

1412
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,240
make sure we did not over if you would

1413
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,000
step over something we call

1414
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,559
intelligence oversight okay there's

1415
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,319
there's something called a procedure 15

1416
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,680
violation dod directed 5240.1 and one

1417
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,760
are now again i won't bore you with the

1418
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,520
minutia but these are the rules and

1419
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,400
regulations in place so we do not step

1420
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,319
on the rights and privileges of american

1421
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,720
citizens u.s persons and so the

1422
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,720
collection retention dissemination and

1423
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,200
analysis of the u.s person's information

1424
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,040
is is verboten

1425
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,359
by defense equities unless there's a

1426
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,079
very specific reason you need to do it

1427
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,400
so we were prohibited from that that's

1428
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:17,599
not the case anymore you now have a much

1429
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,040
more robust much bigger effort underway

1430
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,960
to collect this information it's it's

1431
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:24,960
it's huge it's seismic and i

1432
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,839
i cannot over state to your to your

1433
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,960
audience

1434
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,200
what a big deal this really is because

1435
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,960
now for the first time

1436
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,599
we are truly lifting the blinders off of

1437
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,400
our our head and beginning to to look at

1438
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,800
this topic uh a little bit more more

1439
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,430
yes um the the new department that is uh

1440
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,480
what was gary gone there he is oh there

1441
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,280
was a dog situation okay

1442
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,359
yeah your your

1443
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,200
mic is muted

1444
00:53:03,030 --> 00:52:59,359
uh the question i was just going to ask

1445
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,040
oh yes in the new task force lou that

1446
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,440
has been set up and it's that really

1447
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,200
long i can't even think of the name of

1448
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,839
it it's kind of a silly name um

1449
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:11,880
the acronym would be kind of hard

1450
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,559
aoinsg we call it the aim office but

1451
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,000
it's the aoimsg office uh within the

1452
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,880
usdi ins correct

1453
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,280
so lou you have had

1454
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,200
a look at some things that you can't

1455
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,359
talk about classified things

1456
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,559
and

1457
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,720
that i imagine that if you could talk

1458
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,359
about them that they could really change

1459
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,079
um the views on the whole topic out

1460
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,079
there uh that's that's me just

1461
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,440
speculating

1462
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,280
they already have i haven't had to

1463
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,440
violate my my national security off and

1464
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,280
look how far we've come in four years

1465
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,599
yes i mean no no no but

1466
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,200
let me let me just say this the

1467
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,440
classified stuff though

1468
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,760
you could push it even further is what

1469
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,920
i'm getting at the things that you can't

1470
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,280
talk about

1471
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,280
seems like you could even you if you

1472
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,200
could talk about them

1473
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,520
what i'm getting at is is this new task

1474
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,559
force going to have going to have access

1475
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,880
to that information

1476
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,440
yeah absolutely it should otherwise it's

1477
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,280
it's not doing its job that's exactly

1478
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,720
what i'm trying to do

1479
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,559
make sure the information that we had

1480
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960
access to gets into the right hands this

1481
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,880
is why look

1482
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,280
i i look you don't have you don't have a

1483
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,040
security clearance if you're not working

1484
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,040
you know alongside the government in

1485
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,160
some capacity i've i've make no bones

1486
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,040
about it i i hold a a security clearance

1487
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,319
for a reason

1488
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:36,319
and it's not a bad thing you know i know

1489
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,359
people looking and saying oh you're

1490
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,280
trying to obfuscate and keep the secrets

1491
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,440
from us no i'm not i'm actually trying

1492
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,960
to help you if you just shut up and sit

1493
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,960
down for a second and let me do what

1494
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,559
i've been trying to do you'll see that

1495
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,240
it's working we're getting the

1496
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,319
information out of the stovepipes and

1497
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,440
the silos that it was it was stuck in

1498
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,280
and getting it now into the into the

1499
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:57,119
bigger mechanism where it belongs and

1500
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,400
ultimately the congress which will

1501
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,839
ultimately give it back to the american

1502
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,440
people so

1503
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,880
this has been the plan all along i and i

1504
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,960
i find it very frustrating that people

1505
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,200
don't see that i mean this isn't a

1506
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,799
coincidence that now we have the aim

1507
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,799
office and now we have legislation and

1508
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,319
that we have briefings to congress and

1509
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,799
that i'm in dc all the time i mean

1510
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,839
really

1511
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,200
open your eyes it's kind of obvious

1512
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,119
what's happening here and it's i don't

1513
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,640
think it's a bad thing

1514
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,000
i think we have to be very careful to

1515
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:26,000
throw the baby out with the bath water

1516
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,280
just because someone has a security

1517
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,400
clearance doesn't mean they're trying to

1518
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,720
deceive you there are a lot of people

1519
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,000
out there that have security clearances

1520
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,839
that are patriots that are every day

1521
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,520
trying to do the right thing but we have

1522
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,680
to protect sources and methods we have

1523
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,040
to we have to look if i violated my

1524
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,400
national security earth by the way that

1525
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,400
oath is with the american people

1526
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,720
i can't violate oh to keep

1527
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,000
i can't break a promise to keep a

1528
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,480
promise it doesn't work that way and

1529
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,640
right now it might be if i feel good for

1530
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,880
instant gratification but at the end of

1531
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,799
the day it's not going to help it's not

1532
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,040
going to help solve the problem

1533
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,799
and i think if people were just to take

1534
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,839
a deep breath for a second and see

1535
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,599
what's actually happening people would

1536
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,160
realize hey you know what it's okay the

1537
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,200
machine is starting to to work look

1538
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:13,760
this is a huge the us government

1539
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,720
can be a really tough thing to get

1540
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,520
moving right or or worse change course

1541
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,880
think of an aircraft carrier that's

1542
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:23,200
steaming along at 20 knots you know to

1543
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,880
try to turn one of these things can take

1544
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,640
miles and miles and miles or better yet

1545
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,640
think about a train on a train track

1546
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:30,000
right you want to throw the lever and

1547
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,040
stop it

1548
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,400
it's going to take a while it doesn't

1549
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,559
stop instantly you got a lot of mass a

1550
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,000
lot of momentum

1551
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,680
moving forward well we've got

1552
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,079
potentially 70 years of that momentum

1553
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,240
moving down the track in one direction

1554
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,400
and now we have to turn the train around

1555
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:46,480
and come back the other direction that

1556
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,520
doesn't happen overnight it's happened

1557
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,079
in four years we've come we've come so

1558
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,400
far and in large part because the help

1559
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,799
of gary and chris mellon and other folks

1560
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,400
out there that have been working tires

1561
00:57:00,870 --> 00:57:00,160
tirelessly behind the scenes and by the

1562
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,880
way

1563
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,400
risking their ass to have this

1564
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,280
conversation with the american people

1565
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,440
this isn't an easy conversation to have

1566
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,760
every word that i think word that gary

1567
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,319
says someone is dissecting to make sure

1568
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,480
we don't overstep our bounds

1569
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,400
and that's important to know this is

1570
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,920
this is

1571
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,000
it's not easy and it hasn't been done

1572
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,720
before i think i think we've come a long

1573
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,160
way and i think if people just have a

1574
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,240
little bit more patience they're going

1575
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,079
to see a lot of the fruits of that labor

1576
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:30,160
coming to fruition

1577
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:31,440
you know i think what's interesting

1578
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,480
about this community is how

1579
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,480
deeply involved they are which shows you

1580
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:38,400
that it's doing something

1581
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,880
you know uh uh you know deep about their

1582
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,480
i don't know their consciousness their

1583
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,319
their view of the world we know it's

1584
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,119
important to understand this but i i

1585
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,280
would let's say compare it to

1586
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,319
the work i do in cancer where we'll have

1587
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,760
like a a board of scientists etc but

1588
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:59,599
then we bring in what are called patient

1589
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,559
advocates which are not scientists but

1590
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,720
they're aware of the area and they're

1591
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:06,880
there to continually to

1592
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,839
keep us on track to tell us stop being

1593
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,760
high-ended intellectuals

1594
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,319
talking only to yourselves or and or

1595
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,920
talking down to us

1596
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,960
but

1597
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,520
here's how it is that you can help us

1598
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,920
talk to the rest of the world and here

1599
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,319
are our concerns and you know just

1600
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,520
reading this comments as they flash by

1601
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,160
is the same thing you know when all of

1602
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:32,799
this is formally set up we'll have to

1603
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,599
have patient advocates

1604
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,400
public advocates who are there who can

1605
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,119
help make sure that we're not fooling

1606
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,520
ourselves that we're we think we're

1607
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,680
telling people what they want to hear

1608
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,599
and they tell us no this you're not

1609
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,200
that's no sorry that's not that's not

1610
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,440
right this is what you need to do right

1611
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,599
i don't mean a pr campaign

1612
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:56,400
i mean real people who want to

1613
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,359
understand and and talk at the right

1614
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,599
level and that's not talking down that's

1615
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,520
just using the right words to explain

1616
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:04,400
something

1617
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,200
that

1618
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,960
you know scientists always say if you

1619
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:09,040
can't explain it then you probably don't

1620
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,480
understand it if you can't explain it to

1621
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:12,160
your grandmother then you probably don't

1622
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,030
interesting well um

1623
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,040
i it has just been brought to my

1624
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,599
attention that former united states navy

1625
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,520
admiral bobby ray inman

1626
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:26,000
is being interviewed tonight

1627
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,880
uh

1628
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,880
possibly about

1629
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,040
uap do either one of you know about that

1630
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:33,119
or and if so what would be the

1631
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:38,789
i i am aware of it uh i'm certainly not

1632
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,520
going to speak for the good admiral um

1633
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,359
i have no idea what he's going to say

1634
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,319
and i suspect whatever he says uh you

1635
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,680
know is is is from his perspective um

1636
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,520
you know he did he did have a very he

1637
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,240
had a stellar career um so

1638
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:56,160
you know there's there's a lot of folks

1639
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,440
out there i think that are starting to

1640
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,680
have have the conversation i have no

1641
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,599
idea what what he's gonna say and i

1642
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,359
honestly i wouldn't uh

1643
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,000
i wouldn't propose to even even guess

1644
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,920
he's an admiral and obviously entitled

1645
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,160
to to his own opinion

1646
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,640
right uh gary do you need to

1647
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,799
uh i when we spoke before you said that

1648
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,720
you had to run right at reddit for you

1649
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,720
had another appointment is it still your

1650
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,160
mics off gary

1651
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,000
yeah i have until 10 after it's faculty

1652
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,000
meeting and we actually get dinged

1653
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:26,000
uh for not showing

1654
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:26,839
yeah

1655
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,160
okay well um gary i want to thank you

1656
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,480
very very much it's it's been a

1657
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,240
a real pleasure real honor to have you

1658
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,839
on

1659
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,160
it's been great thanks so much

1660
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,839
gary take care my friend

1661
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,599
see you soon talk to you soon all right

1662
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:43,200
sure take care

1663
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,160
all right

1664
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,200
uh it's just you and me against the

1665
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,760
world lou so

1666
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,720
um

1667
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,480
something i think we're certainly kind

1668
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:54,559
of used to at this point i guess

1669
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,760
yeah yeah so so lou now that i have you

1670
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,760
one-on-one you know i have uh i have a

1671
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:01,680
lot of questions for you but one of the

1672
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:04,240
things um i

1673
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:05,680
i know you're you know i've had a lot of

1674
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,760
talks uh before i even talked to you uh

1675
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,839
is a really good friend of mine and he

1676
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,240
you and him had connected early on and

1677
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,960
uh good man you know good man

1678
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,480
karen good people

1679
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:21,359
yeah yeah they're great but um

1680
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:24,319
um you take a lot of this to heart and

1681
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,319
you're being attacked a lot

1682
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:28,319
one of the things i just want to ask you

1683
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,200
is

1684
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:31,520
do you ever feel like just throwing in

1685
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,960
the towel and say screw all these people

1686
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,040
i mean sure martin i'm human you know

1687
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,359
look i'll share with you

1688
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,119
uh

1689
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,119
i've had a lot of attacks

1690
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,079
after me um but in fairness in 2014 i

1691
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:48,559
was put on the isis al-qaeda kill list

1692
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,079
so uh unless you're isis or al-qaeda

1693
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,760
you don't make me nervous

1694
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,839
that's just the bottom line

1695
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,240
it's a lot of talk and bs from people

1696
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,880
out there i do what i do because

1697
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,280
because i feel it's it's important and

1698
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,720
i'm still committed to the american

1699
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,359
people what is tough is that when my

1700
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,440
wife or my children happen to see the

1701
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:11,200
vitriol online

1702
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,640
that's when it gets tough because they

1703
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,559
come up to me and say but daddy these

1704
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:16,079
people are saying this and you're not

1705
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,200
that way

1706
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:19,039
and they say why can't you defend

1707
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:20,640
yourself i said well sweetheart because

1708
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,440
i can't because that starts a cycle

1709
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:25,520
there are some people out there that are

1710
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,400
that really are they have issues deep

1711
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,880
psychological issues they need help

1712
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,799
and i don't want to make that issue

1713
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:35,119
worse for them but at the same time i

1714
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,480
also you know

1715
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,839
i'm only going to get kicked in the

1716
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,760
teeth a few you know so many times and

1717
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:41,280
then i'm going to say look

1718
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,559
you're on your own

1719
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,200
and so what you see now is a

1720
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,640
as i've said before and this is one of

1721
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,799
my last few podcasts for a while very

1722
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:49,920
long

1723
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,880
because martin honestly i'm sorry

1724
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:54,400
this is probably going to be one of my

1725
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,680
last last interviews for for some time

1726
01:03:02,789 --> 01:02:59,359
because i've done what i can in the

1727
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,799
public sector um my my talents lie

1728
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:04,799
working within the

1729
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,599
the the channels of the us government

1730
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:10,319
and um for for me

1731
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,240
um the the the vitriol and the hate that

1732
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,359
i see online isn't worth it and not only

1733
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,359
that they attack me but but they attack

1734
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,039
other people that are trying to have

1735
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,880
this conversation as well

1736
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,960
uh and not only do they attack but that

1737
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,280
they make things up i've got i've got

1738
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,799
hacked journalists that they call

1739
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,559
themselves journalists who you know

1740
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,559
really aren't real journalists that are

1741
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:34,319
literally making things up in their

1742
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:35,760
headlines they say things that are

1743
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,319
salacious because it's clickbait and we

1744
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:40,319
now live in this this

1745
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,680
this paradigm where everything is about

1746
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:45,839
you know some sort of of splashy

1747
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,880
headline

1748
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:48,880
for a click because that equals

1749
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,440
monetization it equals money right i can

1750
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,280
get more money for google ads or i can

1751
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:54,720
get more people to pay attention to my

1752
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:57,359
thing and it's it's this becomes a

1753
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,599
self-looking ice cream cone where people

1754
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,839
just kind of tune in and they're not

1755
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:03,760
really interested in real information

1756
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,720
anymore

1757
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,680
they they want controversy and

1758
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:08,640
i

1759
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:23,680
be my guest but

1760
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,280
i've got other things to do and um

1761
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,799
i i think

1762
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,880
engaging the public is is very important

1763
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,880
it's one of our our five tenant pillars

1764
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,640
of engagement that we've discussed many

1765
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,160
many times before

1766
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:38,960
uh but i think there's enough people now

1767
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:40,880
i i hate to say this but i think mission

1768
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:42,160
accomplishment

1769
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:43,839
look we've had this closure right you

1770
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,240
had ex-directors of cia and the director

1771
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,920
of national intelligence and presidents

1772
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,559
now all coming out saying it's real

1773
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,000
you got what you wanted you got your

1774
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,119
disclosure so so anything that i need to

1775
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:57,920
do i can still do behind the scenes

1776
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,440
without having to to deal with the the

1777
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,839
garbage that i see now on social media a

1778
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:05,760
couple days ago and i won't say with

1779
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:06,880
what outlet

1780
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,599
i was i was absolutely dumbfounded to

1781
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,599
see the level of unprofessional

1782
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,960
discussion that was occurring in the

1783
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,720
chat room look you don't like me fine

1784
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,000
you don't like my beard you think

1785
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,480
whatever i got a funny goatee or i'm fat

1786
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:21,200
or i'm short or whatever whatever

1787
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:24,079
fine but when when you start when you

1788
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:25,039
start

1789
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,559
picking apart

1790
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,200
people and making things up that aren't

1791
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,599
real it is a distraction and it is a

1792
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:33,440
disservice for the rest of the people in

1793
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,839
the ufo community so if i can be a

1794
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,839
better service by getting out of the

1795
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:40,160
public spotlight and continuing doing

1796
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,480
what i'm doing behind the scenes for the

1797
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,720
purpose of disclosure i'm happy to do

1798
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,799
that and i think we're at a point now

1799
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:48,240
where maybe

1800
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,599
maybe that's that's where we are um

1801
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:53,440
you know obviously i'm very frustrated

1802
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,160
by by the baseless attacks that occur

1803
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,240
um you know we we have to do a better

1804
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,319
job policing ourselves we really do

1805
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,400
because this this topic has been

1806
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:04,480
relegated to the shadows

1807
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,119
and

1808
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:07,520
you know relegated to tinfoil hats for a

1809
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,640
reason

1810
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,559
because the community hasn't done a very

1811
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,960
good job at policing itself and all the

1812
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,640
hucksters and fraudsters out there that

1813
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,319
are charging you money to go do things

1814
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,799
and have an experience right turns out

1815
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:20,559
that you know they're paying somebody to

1816
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,160
to do something illegal to defraud you

1817
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,839
where's the outcry where's the outreach

1818
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,680
right where where are people coming up

1819
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,760
and saying that's a load of crap you're

1820
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:31,440
taking advantage of people you're lying

1821
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,480
to people

1822
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,480
you know i get i get called for example

1823
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,640
on a continuing basis a grifter

1824
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,839
first of all to be a grifter you have to

1825
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,520
take money let me ask you something

1826
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,799
martin how much are you paying me to be

1827
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:42,079
on your show

1828
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,510
anyone to be on anyone's show no one i

1829
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,680
don't know another podcaster i've only

1830
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,559
had to pay one person

1831
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,720
in 10 years and it was just because the

1832
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,559
guy needed money and he didn't want to

1833
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,319
be on the show you know how much i made

1834
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,880
for for history channels unidentified

1835
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,039
enough to buy a fancy lawnmower after

1836
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,440
two years by the way of our own material

1837
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,799
our own work

1838
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:16,559
two years enough to buy a fancy lawn

1839
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:17,359
mower

1840
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,480
okay so

1841
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:21,280
guess what yeah that's the misconception

1842
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,390
for for two years had to dig my own

1843
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:29,440
black water tank right a few feet from

1844
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,559
our rv

1845
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:32,000
to do this

1846
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:33,520
you know i actually had a pretty damn

1847
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:35,599
good career i was pretty senior and i

1848
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,880
did it all because i thought it was

1849
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,400
important for the american people and i

1850
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,240
still feel that way but if i can

1851
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,799
continue doing this mission without the

1852
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,640
distraction of

1853
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,359
the social media and and whatnot

1854
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,000
i you know maybe i can do more good from

1855
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,119
the shadows instead of you know on stage

1856
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,559
frankly i've never been a spotlight kind

1857
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,400
of guy anyways i can't stand it never

1858
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,960
have like well well i hope you don't i

1859
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,280
hope you don't go into the shadows i i

1860
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:03,760
really love what you have been doing and

1861
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,640
uh i i know you know what came to light

1862
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,440
as uh your resignation letter was

1863
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:10,400
brought up

1864
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,000
uh recently and uh through a foyer and

1865
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,239
you spell it out perfectly and the

1866
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,480
reason why you resigned

1867
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,719
and it's because you were frustrated

1868
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,560
just like you said you were

1869
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,560
um and

1870
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,960
that came out and um

1871
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,120
you must have felt vindicated when you

1872
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,719
know these people that were saying oh

1873
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,799
you know that was his resignation was a

1874
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,120
bunch of hogwash or whatever and it

1875
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,359
clearly shows in your resignation letter

1876
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,319
why you resigned

1877
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,199
well i mean yeah again you know

1878
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:44,960
i left the damn good career behind i was

1879
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,480
i parked in the same parking lot as

1880
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,319
secretary of defense i walked through

1881
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,839
the river entrance every single day and

1882
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,000
i had armed guards saluting me because

1883
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:54,640
of of my of my my position and what i

1884
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:55,600
what i've

1885
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,199
done for my country um but you know

1886
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:01,600
let's not forget

1887
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:02,400
i

1888
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,120
bureaucracy

1889
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,279
that needed to be addressed

1890
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:23,440
and until that that dysfunction is

1891
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,560
addressed then i've i've you know

1892
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,319
i'm going to keep doing what i'm doing

1893
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:30,080
and i think we're well on our way i

1894
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:31,679
think a lot has happened in the last

1895
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:34,400
four years i got to give major major

1896
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:37,920
thanks to kudos to to our our our our

1897
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:39,040
brave

1898
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,640
people in congress that have decided to

1899
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,040
pick up the torch and and force

1900
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,600
necessary change we still got a ways to

1901
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,560
go but

1902
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,400
you know we've come pretty far but going

1903
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,920
back to your question can i look back

1904
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,080
and be satisfied or vindicated i haven't

1905
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:54,159
had time for that i haven't to be honest

1906
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,280
with you i haven't looked back and said

1907
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:57,120
wow look how much i've accomplished

1908
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,719
i'm not that kind of guy never happened

1909
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,320
anybody who's worked with me i always

1910
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,040
know i'm a mission oriented guy um i've

1911
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:04,719
never had the privilege to just sit back

1912
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,679
and say

1913
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,120
wow look look what i've been able to

1914
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:08,239
accomplish

1915
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,600
simply because first of all i didn't

1916
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,360
accomplish it by myself i accomplished

1917
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:13,679
it with a lot of other people's help

1918
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:15,920
and two the mission isn't over you know

1919
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,560
maybe some point you know

1920
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,320
in the future i'll have that

1921
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,640
that privilege to do so but but that

1922
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,239
hasn't occurred yet for me i haven't had

1923
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:26,719
that ability that luxury to sit back on

1924
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,520
on my laurels and say you know wow look

1925
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,600
look what i've achieved because

1926
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,280
there's you know

1927
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,520
there's still another battlefield that

1928
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,640
that we have to to engage in uh before

1929
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,560
before that can occur

1930
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:42,560
yeah question here someone wanted to

1931
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,280
know

1932
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,440
if the dod is going to classify

1933
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,120
everything going forward will this

1934
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,840
affect the public reports

1935
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,120
yeah they're going to try but we're

1936
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:52,800
going to make sure that doesn't happen

1937
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,360
uh you know you can you can

1938
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,120
you can you can do that a few times and

1939
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:58,719
then after a while

1940
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:01,280
um you know that that doesn't work

1941
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,159
anymore

1942
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:05,040
so we're we're working on that

1943
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,239
um

1944
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,400
to make sure that's not the case

1945
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,760
i'm not gonna say right now what we're

1946
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,040
doing to make sure that doesn't happen

1947
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,440
but but i'm fairly confident that that

1948
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,600
that argument is not going to stand

1949
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,679
um like it did before

1950
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:19,440
when you say that we're working on it

1951
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,000
does that mean that you are working you

1952
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:24,560
maybe and you and chris are or are

1953
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,520
working

1954
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,120
with

1955
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,040
is there a liaison between the two of

1956
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:32,239
you you know between the groups

1957
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,920
uh yeah i mean i think it's pretty clear

1958
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,280
that that

1959
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,880
we're working pretty hard to champion

1960
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:39,040
this cause and continuing the

1961
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,480
transparency

1962
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,159
you know chris has put out some some

1963
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:43,760
op-eds recently that have been very very

1964
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:46,159
appointed i have two uh we're having

1965
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:48,080
conversations in washington dc we're

1966
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,040
there

1967
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,199
every every month uh i got to be back

1968
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,199
there again really next week

1969
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,199
that'd be great yeah

1970
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,199
i'm not just sitting back in wyoming man

1971
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,800
and you know

1972
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,960
cooling my heels and getting on social

1973
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,120
media that's that's not what we're doing

1974
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:04,960
we're working man we're actually we're

1975
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,320
actually doing this

1976
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,640
full-time and it's not just dc it's

1977
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,239
working with our international partners

1978
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,560
and allies it's working with with other

1979
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,480
organizations as gary said private

1980
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,920
sector and working with the academic

1981
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:18,000
community scientific community you know

1982
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:21,280
on and on and on and on um it's it's

1983
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,880
there's a lot to this topic if we want

1984
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:24,640
to if we want to

1985
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,480
if we want to reach the finish line

1986
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:30,560
right um you mentioned

1987
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,199
i don't know maybe i want to say it was

1988
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,679
four or five months ago maybe longer

1989
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:37,920
that there we should be looking for

1990
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:41,679
about a 23-minute very clear video

1991
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,669
yeah uh let me let me tell you what i

1992
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,360
what i can tell you is that there's a

1993
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,520
there's a 23-minute video that's very

1994
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,840
compelling uh it's very clear it's taken

1995
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,239
from a very sophisticated platform i

1996
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,640
cannot say the platform or the

1997
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,880
circumstances in which it was taken

1998
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,640
uh because we have to protect sources

1999
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,360
and methods um but the video itself

2000
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,000
should at some point be able to

2001
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,000
to be released now let's not forget that

2002
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,600
the pentagon recently last year said

2003
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,360
they deleted all my emails and all my

2004
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,600
files right which is of course a load of

2005
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,280
balloon because that doesn't really

2006
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:19,040
happen in real life there's always

2007
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:20,320
backup servers and there's more

2008
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,520
information and by the way there's

2009
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,360
recipients to these emails

2010
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,520
which by the way some of this stuff is

2011
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:27,520
going to be discussed in my book there's

2012
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,640
there's going to be information that

2013
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,400
people are going to say holy cow whoa

2014
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,880
what are you kidding me you know

2015
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,960
smoking gun um

2016
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:36,960
you know

2017
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:39,520
a lot of this is is going to be explored

2018
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,560
um

2019
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:42,080
i i want to provide people the

2020
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,600
definitive proof that they're looking

2021
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,000
for the problem is again i cannot

2022
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,400
violate my non-disclosure agreement but

2023
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,400
know that there is a 23-minute video out

2024
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,320
there that's very very interesting very

2025
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,960
compelling and what it shows is is an

2026
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,480
object clearly that

2027
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,320
isn't anything that

2028
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,480
that we have it's not ours and it's

2029
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,120
doing things that frankly we can't do

2030
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,640
uh but that's not the only one there's a

2031
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,280
lot of videos i mean there's there's

2032
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,199
brother there's a lot of videos coming

2033
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,159
out i mean this last year alone uh

2034
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,679
you know there's some organizations in

2035
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,960
the u.s government that have the

2036
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,280
privilege to see some for pretty high

2037
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:18,800
fidelity stuff

2038
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,400
um you know it's not just some grainy

2039
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:24,719
you know video that people are used to

2040
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,520
seeing

2041
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,159
uh but that's not for me to to to to

2042
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:30,159
provide or reveal or discuss at this

2043
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,960
point

2044
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:33,040
um i think um

2045
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,640
you know in time that's that's the job

2046
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,960
of congress to make sure that look

2047
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,400
congress has mandated that an

2048
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,560
unclassified report

2049
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,800
is due to them it's law

2050
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,440
so if they don't someone is breaking the

2051
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:47,679
law and and they will be held

2052
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,560
so

2053
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,800
let's see what videos are provided right

2054
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,560
let's see what videos can come out and

2055
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,159
what what the american people can see

2056
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:55,679
for themselves and say

2057
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,520
you're right that's uh you know that's

2058
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,440
that's interesting that's unusual that's

2059
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:03,920
that's wow holy cow

2060
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,159
now there's some supposedly some very

2061
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,520
very clear

2062
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,560
uap images that are classified

2063
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,560
um that was in a briefing

2064
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,920
um

2065
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:15,920
do you in your opinion do you think

2066
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:20,159
people will believe in images because

2067
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,600
i mean if they're so easily faked in cgi

2068
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,600
and you know i mean yeah you're not

2069
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,640
going to do that in the government the

2070
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,560
last thing you're going to do is is take

2071
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:30,719
take information from a you know

2072
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,520
hyperspectral platform uh in the world

2073
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,760
orbit and try to to spoof that and give

2074
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,760
that to congress that that's that's not

2075
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,600
a good idea so you're saying

2076
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,040
will be all over your ass if you even

2077
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,520
try to do something like that so i i

2078
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,040
don't think

2079
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,360
that's going to be the case um one can

2080
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,280
like i said get just into one of the

2081
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,199
communities of interest that we have

2082
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,440
on on the classified networks and see

2083
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,760
that there's a lot of analysts right now

2084
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,040
that are by the way they're looking at

2085
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,600
this with a really critical eye and if

2086
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,520
someone tries to pull that crap you know

2087
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,280
these are the first folks men and women

2088
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,600
that are gonna say cry foul and say you

2089
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,239
know that's that's that's fake yeah i i

2090
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,679
think you misunderstood my question a

2091
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:12,080
little bit um that uh because i

2092
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,440
understand that they're going to be

2093
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,080
careful about their sources but what i'm

2094
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,080
what i meant by that question is with

2095
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,800
the public you know the public

2096
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,239
the people out there

2097
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,480
uh the average public that may not look

2098
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,080
into this topic really seriously

2099
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:27,760
whatever and then they would just say oh

2100
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,880
that's a fake

2101
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:30,800
you know i mean it's they're so easy to

2102
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,760
fake

2103
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,280
would they believe the government i

2104
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,960
guess that's uh that's the question i

2105
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:36,719
have well look i mean

2106
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,800
i i don't have to tell you most people

2107
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,920
don't don't even believe their own

2108
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,520
spouses right let alone the government

2109
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,040
or anything else i mean

2110
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,520
that's human psychology i i don't i

2111
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,120
can't answer that i

2112
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:49,120
you know all i can tell people look from

2113
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,480
day one i've been always fair and honest

2114
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,520
with you and and so if there's if the

2115
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:55,280
track record's there would you believe

2116
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:56,719
what you want to believe you're an adult

2117
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,920
you can do whatever the hell you want to

2118
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:58,640
do

2119
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:00,400
uh but you know what it goes both ways i

2120
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,840
can do whatever the hell i want to do

2121
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,199
and i'm going to continue doing what i'm

2122
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,760
doing and i think rational minded people

2123
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,400
see that that that we're we're achieving

2124
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,320
something we're we're making a

2125
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,880
significant difference in this topic

2126
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,440
uh that we have in the last 70 years

2127
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,960
that that congress is taking it

2128
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,400
seriously the intelligence community is

2129
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:19,920
taken seriously

2130
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,480
a lot of dod is taking it seriously

2131
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,480
and and soon some people on your very

2132
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:26,159
audience who may be working in some sort

2133
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,440
of agency

2134
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,600
outside the us government may be brought

2135
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,920
into this and say holy crap you know lou

2136
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,920
is right look i just got asked to look

2137
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,679
at this radar data i happened to work

2138
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,360
for faa and

2139
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,159
there was some sort of uap encounter and

2140
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,159
you know that they're actually asking me

2141
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,280
my opinion on it um i think it's i think

2142
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,120
it's happening i think we're

2143
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,440
i i do not i cannot

2144
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:51,360
tell you what the average american's

2145
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,120
going to think um if the ufo community

2146
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,199
uh is a litmus test

2147
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,880
i think we're in big trouble

2148
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,320
the good news is that we have some

2149
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,239
people in the ufo community that are

2150
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,560
that are serious um but again as i said

2151
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:05,679
before

2152
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:07,520
hey brother there's a lot of charlatans

2153
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,880
there's a lot of hustlers out there that

2154
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,719
want your money and they want it back

2155
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:12,719
and they will do whatever they can

2156
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,760
uh to to to to take it and keep this

2157
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:17,199
conversation

2158
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:19,150
out of the the

2159
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,320
[Music]

2160
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,480
mainstream they they want it french

2161
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,239
because then they can control it right

2162
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,520
because then they have a little echo

2163
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:27,199
chamber and they've got a little source

2164
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,719
of revenue and they continue fooling the

2165
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:31,920
people um we're not about that we're you

2166
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,280
know we're bringing this topic

2167
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:35,760
mainstream whether people like it or not

2168
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,560
and and allow the american people to

2169
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,320
decide for themselves if this is going

2170
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,159
to be a priority for them as far as the

2171
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,239
ufo community i've said this before

2172
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:46,480
look my target audience no no offense

2173
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:47,920
isn't the ufo

2174
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,480
it's the 99.9 of other fair rational

2175
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:52,239
minded human beings that never even

2176
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,159
really considered this topic before

2177
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,320
that's who my target audience is because

2178
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,920
i'm not going to convince somebody of

2179
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,840
anything that has some preconceived

2180
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:02,400
notion that the reptilians are here from

2181
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:05,440
zeta reticulite to control our souls

2182
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:06,480
i don't know what to do with that i mean

2183
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,600
it's up to you fine you want to believe

2184
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:09,360
that cool but

2185
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,640
that's not my focus my focus is is is

2186
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:15,120
more on the here and now nuts and bolts

2187
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,120
no preconceived notion we're finally at

2188
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,960
a point we've realized the reality of

2189
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,560
this topic

2190
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,000
let's start asking the hard questions

2191
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,000
about it and and

2192
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,480
again no offense to anybody out there

2193
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,600
who maybe

2194
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:30,480
you know they may feel a certain way

2195
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,440
but at the end of the day it doesn't

2196
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:32,960
matter what you feel doesn't matter what

2197
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,120
i feel what matters is what we what we

2198
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,520
know what does the data suggest

2199
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,679
and that is what's going to finally shed

2200
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:42,480
light on this incredible enigma that we

2201
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,760
call the topic of uaps or ufos

2202
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:47,920
and again if it was up to me

2203
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,960
again

2204
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,239
look i'm going to say it it's going to

2205
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,000
piss people off because that to me i

2206
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:55,280
would obliterate the you the ufo

2207
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:58,400
community ufology into a billion billion

2208
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:59,360
pieces

2209
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,360
hoping that what comes back together is

2210
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,600
a coalescence of fair-minded

2211
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,280
rational-minded people that want to look

2212
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:07,199
at this topic scientifically and really

2213
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,080
really

2214
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,719
figure this out without any preconceived

2215
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,639
notions or narratives or any windows or

2216
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:14,880
anything like that let's let's let's do

2217
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,360
a reboot let's do a hard reboot on this

2218
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:19,920
and let's look at this for for what it

2219
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,159
is and let's try to remove

2220
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,480
any type of of of

2221
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,120
you know pre-narrative that we've had

2222
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,520
from you know from the past

2223
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:30,719
and by the way it may turn out that

2224
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,400
they're right okay so i'm not saying

2225
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:34,239
that it's not and it could turn out that

2226
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,760
hey what these people who have this

2227
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,360
theory turn out to be you know what your

2228
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:40,320
theory happened to be right all along

2229
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,280
but we've got to approach it

2230
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:43,120
scientifically we've got to let the

2231
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,800
facts speak for themselves we got to let

2232
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:47,120
the data speak for itself stop listening

2233
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:48,320
to a bunch of talking heads that are

2234
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,080
getting up there saying i've had this

2235
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,600
download i know exactly what all this is

2236
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,520
about no you don't you think you do

2237
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,360
that's fine i respect that but don't

2238
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,600
tell me that you have the answer because

2239
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,440
i'm not sure anybody has the full

2240
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:01,120
answers right now and that may be one of

2241
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:02,159
the reasons why the government's been

2242
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,840
keeping this so secret because even the

2243
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:05,199
government doesn't have all the answers

2244
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,400
and it doesn't want to admit it doesn't

2245
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,400
have all the answers so

2246
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,239
you know that's that's my two cents

2247
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,800
anyways maybe three cents

2248
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,480
okay i have a

2249
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,880
i have a kind of a a long question kind

2250
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:18,719
of a it's hard for me to even read a

2251
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,520
question like this but uh you you may

2252
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,760
understand it i i don't understand it so

2253
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,080
well with all these acronyms how did it

2254
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:28,239
happen that within only a few months of

2255
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:29,760
bigelow airspace

2256
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,880
baa ss getting the

2257
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:34,400
a swap

2258
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,480
the aaw sap contract

2259
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:40,880
um o u s d

2260
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,239
slash i had become such an issue that

2261
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,080
harry reid was suddenly trying to get

2262
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,960
the sap established with the biggest

2263
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,120
list do you understand that question i i

2264
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:53,679
do so i i look i can't talk definitively

2265
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:55,360
on the osap program you're referring to

2266
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:56,960
a program that was run by

2267
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,679
uh dr jim lukasky from the depart dia

2268
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,440
defense intelligence agency and won the

2269
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,560
client

2270
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,560
bigelow aerospace won the contract for

2271
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,360
the asap program uh i was brought in

2272
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,199
really on the tail end of that most of

2273
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,199
my focus was the a-tip advanced

2274
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:13,440
aerospace threat identification program

2275
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,040
portfolio um but there were some there

2276
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:19,280
were some forces within

2277
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,040
ousdi and dia to be fair that were

2278
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:26,239
diametrically opposed to this topic they

2279
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,679
felt that it

2280
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,679
it contradicted or challenged their

2281
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,639
preconceived notions of theology uh

2282
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,719
there was a theological objection to

2283
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,920
this i'm not going to go into detail

2284
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:38,400
unless you want me to uh but they felt

2285
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,679
that it it did not comport to their

2286
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,400
ideas of judeo-christian values and

2287
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,280
therefore they tried to kill it um that

2288
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:49,679
that is an absolute matter of fact

2289
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,040
um i i witnessed it i saw it i had

2290
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,960
people come up to me and and have very

2291
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:56,560
frank conversations

2292
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,550
could you say whether you were the

2293
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,159
person that

2294
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,639
um interviewed alex dietrich back in

2295
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,360
september 2017 or not can you say

2296
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,960
whether you were or not

2297
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,239
a lot of people interviewed alex

2298
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,480
dietrich alex dietrich's american hero

2299
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:16,159
uh i had the honor and privilege to

2300
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:17,920
speak with her multiple times

2301
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:21,040
i'm not going to discuss specific uh

2302
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,639
efforts that i may have been involved in

2303
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,440
one that was uh a us government employee

2304
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,360
that would not be uh that would not be

2305
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,400
prudent uh and i would let alex dietrich

2306
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:31,920
speak for herself if she wants to answer

2307
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,239
that question she certainly can um i'll

2308
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,679
tell you she represents the best of the

2309
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,760
best of our country she is absolutely

2310
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,760
incredible uh not only is she an

2311
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:41,520
incredible patriot and a hero she's also

2312
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,719
an incredible mother and and and wife

2313
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:45,679
and

2314
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:50,719
are we are damn lucky to have her

2315
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:53,679
uh on our side i'll just say that

2316
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,239
i was so happy when she decided to speak

2317
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:58,400
out because she was anonymous

2318
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,520
previously

2319
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,760
and then when i when she finally all we

2320
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,320
knew was that it was someone like

2321
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,560
one of their first runs right it wasn't

2322
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,639
one of her first missions or something

2323
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,239
like that when this thing happened can

2324
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,760
you imagine

2325
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,600
yeah and you know

2326
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,560
she'll she'll tell you you know

2327
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:18,639
verbatim i mean i it's i'm waiting for

2328
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,080
somebody to ask her or dave framer or

2329
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:24,560
you know one of the e2 hawkeye operators

2330
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,840
hey you know

2331
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:27,760
how did you first meet lou

2332
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,639
uh

2333
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,400
you know

2334
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,520
that'd be pretty interesting someone

2335
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:32,800
should probably ask that question at

2336
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,040
some point

2337
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:37,199
and when did you actually first hear

2338
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,480
from chris

2339
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:41,040
chris was on the show back in 2015 when

2340
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:42,800
he first started

2341
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:46,000
really getting into the topic

2342
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:47,440
uh publicly

2343
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:54,390
chris was a little sore with me

2344
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,040
when uh when he first finally got right

2345
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,120
on when i was uh at the pentagon we got

2346
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,280
right onto the program uh

2347
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:03,199
uh because he had spent i guess some

2348
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,560
time

2349
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,800
saying publicly that uh you know he

2350
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,719
wasn't aware of any any ufo program

2351
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:10,320
within the government and of course now

2352
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:11,440
he's

2353
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:15,120
of like well sh

2354
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,719
shoot you know

2355
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:18,000
here it is this whole time that there

2356
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,760
was a program and you know now i got to

2357
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:21,440
kind of go back and

2358
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,199
figure out how to have this conversation

2359
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,040
uh but it but in seriousness chris has

2360
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,719
been instrumental

2361
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,880
in in having this conversation where it

2362
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:30,480
is today getting the right people to

2363
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:31,360
listen

2364
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,040
uh in congress uh we would absolutely

2365
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:36,719
not be here today having this

2366
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:39,040
conversation if it wasn't for chris

2367
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,199
melon chris mellon is by far

2368
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:43,040
single-handedly one of the most

2369
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,320
important people

2370
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:46,480
uh that we can greet credit to for

2371
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:47,920
having this conversation people want to

2372
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,440
say oh lou but you're the one who came

2373
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:52,000
out but yeah but you know what

2374
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,120
chris was really the one who who

2375
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,080
understood how to have this conversation

2376
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,639
and so if there's anybody that that

2377
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,159
needs to be thanked

2378
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,400
for for us being where we are today in

2379
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:05,760
the conversation

2380
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:07,840
it's it chris mellon is definitely at

2381
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,560
the top of the list for sure

2382
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,600
yeah

2383
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:13,440
uh someone's saying you're a real hero

2384
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,320
here lots of hearts and everything and

2385
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:18,400
that you moved to the middle of nowhere

2386
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:37,110
thought it was for privacy you know i

2387
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,880
shared with you for the first time uh

2388
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,199
publicly that i was i was put on a on a

2389
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:44,000
terrorist naughty list uh some time ago

2390
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,760
that's never a fun thing to be on you

2391
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:48,000
know that's uh you never get off that

2392
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,360
list you know you kind of hope that

2393
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:50,719
someone else becomes more important than

2394
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,679
you

2395
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,960
um

2396
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:54,320
so you know hopefully you move to the

2397
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,600
bottom of the list

2398
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,120
but uh

2399
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,280
it hasn't hasn't been easy and you know

2400
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,440
i've had even since now being

2401
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:03,520
doing this i've had you know some people

2402
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,600
try to try to threaten me

2403
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:06,719
um

2404
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,600
you know

2405
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:09,120
because they don't they don't like my

2406
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,400
message

2407
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:12,960
um so we live where we live because of

2408
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,320
the privacy

2409
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,800
uh the people are amazing out here in

2410
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,040
wyoming uh they're just

2411
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,960
incredible um

2412
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,880
very humble hardworking

2413
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,560
uh i've lived all over the world as you

2414
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,480
probably know uh metro major

2415
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:29,120
metropolitan areas live in washington dc

2416
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:30,480
south america and the middle east and

2417
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,280
asia and everywhere else um

2418
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:35,440
you know wyoming for me is is a place

2419
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,199
that i can um

2420
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,600
i can de-clutter if i'm all going to

2421
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,880
continue

2422
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:42,960
this work that i'm doing now

2423
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,920
wyoming offers me some sort of refuge if

2424
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,520
that makes sense

2425
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:50,480
um where i can just be me nobody knows

2426
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:52,560
who i am nobody give nobody cares nobody

2427
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:53,600
gives a damn

2428
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,320
um you know out there your your your

2429
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,320
your respect is based on whether or not

2430
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:00,960
you drive a diesel truck or you know a

2431
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,000
4x4 um nobody really cares much beyond

2432
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,400
that um of course i'm being silly but

2433
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,679
but in reality it's just it's a

2434
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,120
beautiful place

2435
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,360
and with with a lot of the craziness

2436
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,360
going on right now in the world

2437
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,679
uh you know it's it's the only place

2438
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,840
that that just seems sane for me right

2439
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:19,440
now

2440
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:22,480
i had so many questions about

2441
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,679
that conflict and uh a lot of people

2442
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,800
wanted to know

2443
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,960
you know um questions that i normally

2444
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,480
wouldn't ask but there were a lot of

2445
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,560
people that were relating the conflict

2446
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,840
in ukraine

2447
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,840
with you know like

2448
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,600
are people seeing any

2449
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:40,000
uaps and i actually think that that in

2450
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,159
particular is a good question because

2451
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,920
there seems to be you know during

2452
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:45,120
wartime

2453
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:48,960
that there are a lot of ufos seen you

2454
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,560
know it always has been

2455
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:52,400
yeah i mean that we're certainly looking

2456
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:54,000
at that you know we have to be careful

2457
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,920
there were you know let me go back to

2458
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:57,120
real scenarios that are doing the

2459
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,560
american revolution

2460
01:29:01,430 --> 01:29:00,719
uh to keep the spirit of the troops off

2461
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,440
up

2462
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:03,280
uh later on after the american

2463
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:05,920
revolution and into the war of 1812 and

2464
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,600
whatnot there were stories of of george

2465
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:11,280
washington's ghosts

2466
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:14,080
coming and riding through the forest and

2467
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:16,000
and through the snow to rally the morale

2468
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:17,120
of the troops

2469
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,280
um we have to make sure that when we're

2470
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:21,199
talking about whether it's ukraine or

2471
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:23,679
any other type of global conflict

2472
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:26,960
that we recognize the difference between

2473
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:29,760
you know a real potential uap incident

2474
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,920
and something that's there as some sort

2475
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,600
of propaganda and i don't mean in a bad

2476
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,280
way but there's

2477
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,440
some discussion recently that some sort

2478
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:39,040
of lights occurred in the sky in the

2479
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:40,639
clouds and the next morning a bunch of

2480
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:43,199
russian tanks were destroyed oh yes you

2481
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:44,880
know the question is that was that a

2482
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:46,800
yeah right was that a uap incident was

2483
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,199
it a miracle from god or was it just

2484
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:51,040
some sort of advanced military

2485
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,560
technology right

2486
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:54,480
we don't really know and we have to be

2487
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,719
really careful ascribing

2488
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,560
a source to something

2489
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,719
if if

2490
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,880
if we're not sure um it's interesting

2491
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,520
it's anecdotal but without the hard

2492
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:07,840
evidence it's it's just that it's just

2493
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,239
another story uh and again i'm not

2494
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:12,400
saying i i'm not paying attention to it

2495
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,760
because we are

2496
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:15,360
but we have to be really careful jumping

2497
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,040
to any type of conclusion we just we

2498
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:19,440
just don't know yet

2499
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:22,480
yes i believe i heard a ukraine soldier

2500
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:25,360
describe and then it was um translated

2501
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:27,440
or something with what he he said

2502
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,120
lightning came down from a spaceship or

2503
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,800
something like that i think he's i think

2504
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,719
i saw that but i i was thinking that

2505
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,880
might be something that was a hoax or

2506
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,159
something i have no idea where the

2507
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:38,800
source was i tried to find the source um

2508
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:41,280
for that uh what about your book people

2509
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,639
in ukraine go ahead

2510
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:44,639
the people in ukraine are very desperate

2511
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,239
and and right now they're looking for

2512
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:48,560
anything to to give them a shot of

2513
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:51,600
morale and a boost um they have been

2514
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,280
left high and dry and i'm not going to

2515
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:55,199
get political here but what's happening

2516
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,199
in ukraine is is is awful just like

2517
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,199
it is the way we left afghanistan again

2518
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,440
not being political here but

2519
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,280
but it's there are people suffering

2520
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,360
right now women and children and

2521
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:09,040
civilians

2522
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:10,080
elderly

2523
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:11,920
they didn't ask for this and and they're

2524
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:15,440
being slaughtered on the streets and so

2525
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,199
people are desperate for a good news

2526
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:19,760
story they're desperate for something

2527
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:22,239
to see the underdog finally win

2528
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:24,400
and i get it and and

2529
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:25,840
especially in times like this it's

2530
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,000
always

2531
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,159
it you know it keeps us hopeful that

2532
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,120
maybe there is some sort of

2533
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:34,880
you know divine intervention here right

2534
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,560
maybe maybe yeah

2535
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:37,760
you know and so

2536
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:40,639
i get it uh i i i would hope that's the

2537
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,719
case but i i really don't know yeah

2538
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:46,719
if there was ever a time for one person

2539
01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:49,600
to get abducted

2540
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:02,550
actually i have a short list

2541
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:04,870
yeah yeah funny uh you're you were going

2542
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,880
to be i i think i had you scheduled at

2543
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,639
one time you were going to be i think it

2544
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:10,560
was i want to say december 13th or

2545
01:32:16,709 --> 01:32:13,360
something like that and then um your

2546
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:16,719
wonderful wife contacted me and said oh

2547
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,040
lou's writing a book and i know you went

2548
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:20,960
over to england and and you were over

2549
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:22,880
there and you were really working hard

2550
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:25,920
in the book and and then she wrote me a

2551
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:27,760
while back says hey guess what we're

2552
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:29,600
ready you know if you want to want lou

2553
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:31,280
in the show so i was thrilled to have

2554
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,960
you tonight but can you talk about your

2555
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,159
book what what

2556
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:35,920
what can you say about your book yeah

2557
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:37,360
i'll keep it short because you know

2558
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:38,639
people will accuse me of plugging my

2559
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:39,920
book look you don't want to read it

2560
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,159
don't read it no no i'm asking you you

2561
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,080
never said no no understood martin yeah

2562
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:46,000
yeah yeah but let me let me let me just

2563
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:47,600
address the folks in the audience who

2564
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:49,920
may think that this is some sort of cash

2565
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:51,679
grab because it's not i'm writing the

2566
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:53,600
book for a very specific reason and

2567
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:55,040
there's actually two very specific

2568
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:56,560
reasons that will become apparent when

2569
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,000
the book comes out and people are going

2570
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:00,480
to say oh man that's sly devil

2571
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:02,719
now we get it okay and by the way it's

2572
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:04,639
part of disclosure but it's also an

2573
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,120
opportunity for me to to

2574
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:09,600
to speak about my experiences without

2575
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:11,440
having to do five-minute sound bites

2576
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:13,679
right or having to here's a chance to

2577
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:15,679
say for the record here's what happened

2578
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,840
you're welcome to read it so it's it's

2579
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,199
actually twofold why i'm reading the

2580
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,199
book why i'm writing the book

2581
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:22,560
again if people out there don't want to

2582
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:24,880
read it don't read it i don't care yeah

2583
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,360
i'm writing this book for me not anybody

2584
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:29,600
else i'm writing this book so it will it

2585
01:33:34,229 --> 01:33:31,600
will be it will be a definitive

2586
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,239
understanding of what the program was

2587
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,040
about um and um

2588
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:38,960
you know that's that's that's the way it

2589
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,600
is um i i can i can say a lot more in a

2590
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,760
book than i can in a one hour or a half

2591
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:46,480
hour or a five minute interview um and

2592
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,040
by the way my hope is that at some point

2593
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:50,960
in in the future

2594
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:52,560
70 years from now

2595
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:54,159
i don't want the government going back

2596
01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:55,440
and trying to put the genie back in the

2597
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,040
bottle what i want to happen is that

2598
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:59,120
okay here's the truth here's what

2599
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:01,760
happened here's here is the facts as we

2600
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,159
know it up to today there's no going

2601
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:06,560
back you may want to slow disclosure

2602
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,360
down

2603
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:09,199
if you're the government that's on you

2604
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:10,560
but you'll never be able to go put the

2605
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:12,560
genie back in the bottle because this

2606
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:14,159
book is going to lay out

2607
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:16,639
the facts and so you'll never be able to

2608
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,600
go

2609
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:19,920
retroactively behind that and try to

2610
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:21,679
pretend it never happened because it did

2611
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:23,280
happen and so

2612
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,719
that's one of the main reasons why i'm

2613
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,000
writing the book there's another very

2614
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,000
practical reason again it will be

2615
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:30,000
apparent once the book comes out i am

2616
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:31,520
not going to have that conversation

2617
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:34,080
right now because i do not want to to to

2618
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:35,360
give that away

2619
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,880
um i think i think people will be very

2620
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:40,719
appreciative

2621
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,080
when that book comes out they will

2622
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,000
understand they're going to say ah okay

2623
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:46,080
you know this is this makes sense we

2624
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:47,520
understand

2625
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,119
any idea about when it's going to be out

2626
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:54,000
man i'm working on it like a dog

2627
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,920
you know i tell people look at me i was

2628
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:57,760
i used to be six foot four long blonde

2629
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,880
hair before i started this i'm only 27.

2630
01:35:03,109 --> 01:35:02,239
look at me

2631
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:03,119
um

2632
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,149
i've made a lot of progress we'll just

2633
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:11,280
say that i've made a lot of progress uh

2634
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:15,679
it's um it's moving along uh on schedule

2635
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:18,719
as as i would expect it to to go it is

2636
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:21,199
one of my top priorities

2637
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:22,880
you know one of the things that i've

2638
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:25,280
never talked with you about in the past

2639
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,000
is

2640
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:28,480
um

2641
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,719
have you looked at other cases for

2642
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:32,880
instance a lot of times on this show

2643
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:35,119
i'll i'll say what i think is the most

2644
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:37,520
remarkable case of all is the ariel

2645
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:40,239
school incident that happened in 1994.

2646
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:42,000
i don't know if you've ever looked into

2647
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:45,920
that or anything you know that yes

2648
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:47,920
have you looked into that in particular

2649
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,000
i i don't think that story is being is

2650
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:52,159
finished being told yet i think when you

2651
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,280
find out the significance of that school

2652
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:57,040
uh

2653
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,719
and the rest of the story i think people

2654
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,040
are gonna say holy smokes

2655
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:03,600
yeah well randy nickerson a friend of

2656
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:07,040
mine uh i have not he's kind of gone

2657
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,159
quiet for quite a while but he has he

2658
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,239
has made a wonderful film about it and

2659
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:14,480
he worked for i think over 10 years on

2660
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,719
it the film's been in the can for about

2661
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:18,719
a year now and we're waiting for where

2662
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,040
it there was uh there was a rumor that

2663
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,760
it was going out on netflix and that

2664
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:25,920
is not going to happen so i i just have

2665
01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:28,080
no idea but when that comes out you're

2666
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,159
going to see a remarkable film i will

2667
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,480
tell you that whenever that comes out

2668
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,480
i think you're going to be people are

2669
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:36,320
going to there there's a piece of that

2670
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:38,000
puzzle that hasn't come out yet and

2671
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:42,950
yeah

2672
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:49,520
it and i i've had about four or five

2673
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:51,520
different uh witnesses

2674
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:54,159
on the show that um of that and it's

2675
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:54,960
just

2676
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,679
the things that comes up a lot on these

2677
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:01,600
shows and it's a question i often ask

2678
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:03,840
what what is your when someone asks it

2679
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:06,000
more or less right here when gary was

2680
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:08,159
with us what is your best assessment on

2681
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:10,480
what the phenomenon is

2682
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:12,000
do you have an opinion

2683
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,600
well i think we first need to figure out

2684
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,960
what it isn't

2685
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:16,880
um you know we have to be very careful

2686
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:18,239
because there's a lot of options of what

2687
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:21,440
it could be um and so let's let's figure

2688
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,199
out what it is first

2689
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,760
um i've said before it could be all

2690
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:27,760
sorts of stuff it could be

2691
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,600
uh something from uh from a different

2692
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:31,280
place a different different planet it

2693
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:33,840
could be something that's

2694
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,080
normal as we are been from been on this

2695
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,080
plane as long as we have and we're just

2696
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:39,440
not a point where we can interact with

2697
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,800
it it could be something that is not

2698
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:42,880
even from another place

2699
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:43,760
uh

2700
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,560
using the word dimension because people

2701
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:52,000
get all you know

2702
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,280
weird about it they get old you know i

2703
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,119
hate to use the term woo

2704
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:57,040
but we now know through science there

2705
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:58,400
are other dimensions

2706
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,360
time is a dimension okay so that

2707
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,920
you have three dimensional space x y z

2708
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,760
and x axis and then you have time as

2709
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:07,600
another dimension

2710
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,760
but there's other dimensions as well and

2711
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,199
it's hard for us to conceptualize

2712
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:13,199
because we live in a three-dimensional

2713
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,159
world

2714
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,639
um but there's other demand let me let

2715
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:19,440
me give i guess probably

2716
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,800
i won't digress too long here but people

2717
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:22,480
say well how do you envision another

2718
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,880
dimension well okay i'm having this

2719
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,400
conversation with you right now and i

2720
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:28,159
have three dimensions i can operate i

2721
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,520
can go forward

2722
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,880
backwards

2723
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:33,520
left or right or up and down and within

2724
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,800
that i can navigate within a

2725
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,960
three-dimensional space

2726
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,800
but imagine if you could shrink and you

2727
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,719
could get smaller and just pull in

2728
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,560
you're not going up or down left to

2729
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,560
right you're actually going in well

2730
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:46,400
that's another dimension that's another

2731
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:48,080
example of what it would be like if you

2732
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,679
could go into

2733
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,840
another dimension it is a dimension we

2734
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,920
can't experience it because we are flesh

2735
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:55,199
and blood and you can't really shrink

2736
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,360
yourself but but that's an example right

2737
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:59,520
getting into the very very small

2738
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,400
um

2739
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:01,920
so we know that there's

2740
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,920
we see it in in

2741
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:05,920
in physics models all the time quantum

2742
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,480
physics uh string theory these other

2743
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,080
these other um

2744
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:12,400
ideas in in science

2745
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:13,360
so

2746
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,440
uh you know a lot of scientists have

2747
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,440
have even discussed possibly the notion

2748
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,679
of gravity the reason why it's so weak

2749
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,760
is because it actually exists

2750
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,920
much stronger in another dimension we're

2751
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:25,520
getting this right

2752
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:27,440
or bleeding effect and so

2753
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:30,000
you know it's it's not that hard to say

2754
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:31,199
well you know

2755
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,280
it may not even be some phenomena may

2756
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,760
not even be related to to another planet

2757
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,440
it could be

2758
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:39,360
another dimension of some sort and again

2759
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:41,440
i want to be careful not to sound too

2760
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,119
too woo here right now we're just having

2761
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,760
a mental exercise you and i and your

2762
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:47,440
audience but but there's a lot of

2763
01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:49,040
possibilities we got to be careful that

2764
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:50,239
we don't just

2765
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,159
artificially uh or prematurely uh negate

2766
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,800
one and say well that sounds silly

2767
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:58,239
all options really have to be on the

2768
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:59,600
table until they're not on the table

2769
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:00,560
anymore

2770
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,520
yes um since i started the show i

2771
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:05,920
remember i think it's even on this on my

2772
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,239
website somewhere well i'll say that the

2773
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,320
government probably knows more about it

2774
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,000
than we do but they probably don't know

2775
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,480
what it is and that i wrote that back in

2776
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:17,040
2011.

2777
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:19,199
i think that's a fair assessment i think

2778
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,639
i think you're right

2779
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,400
and that's their lies part of the rub

2780
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,760
part of the problem right because we pay

2781
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:26,000
our we pay it we pay our government to

2782
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,199
have answers

2783
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,679
and in some cases they

2784
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,679
they don't

2785
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:33,679
yeah here's a here's something i've

2786
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,040
always i thought

2787
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:37,199
this question came in i forget how i

2788
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,560
think it was twitter

2789
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:40,000
do you believe that there's some truth

2790
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,679
in the theory that the government has

2791
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:43,600
possibly worked with some people on

2792
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:46,480
hollywood to inject into some movies and

2793
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:49,840
tv some real-life ufo information to get

2794
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:52,560
the public into a mindset uh kind of

2795
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:55,840
accepting the future of of what we may

2796
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:58,000
find out when it comes to ufos

2797
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,280
well i think it's it's certainly a

2798
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:01,040
possibility you know hollywood has a

2799
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:03,199
long-standing relationship with the us

2800
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,719
government always has

2801
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,800
whether it's in time of war or not um

2802
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,320
you will see a cooperation between

2803
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:10,080
hollywood and the us government a lot of

2804
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:11,760
times when people watch a movie

2805
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,920
uh and they see a big aircraft carrier

2806
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:16,320
which a big bunch of planes like top gun

2807
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,280
where do you think they're getting those

2808
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,960
planes from well they're getting them

2809
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,040
from the us government the government is

2810
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:23,040
allowing them to film on aircraft

2811
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:25,679
carriers and u.s equities military

2812
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,719
equities um and there's a kind of a bit

2813
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,960
of a quid pro quo where they say look

2814
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,960
you make a good movie and show the

2815
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,719
department of defense in a bright good

2816
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:36,960
light or the navy or the army and you

2817
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:39,360
know we'll we'll we'll kick in some some

2818
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,719
equipment for you to film and whatnot

2819
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,639
that's that relationship has been around

2820
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:46,960
a long time in fact if you go down

2821
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:50,320
uh the e corridor of the pentagon uh you

2822
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,440
go through the main entrance of the

2823
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:53,520
pentagon where the visitors go and then

2824
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,280
go down and turn right

2825
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:57,679
uh and go down the public affairs uh

2826
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,400
corridor where the pao offices you will

2827
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:02,320
see a lot of hollywood posters up there

2828
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,320
and you will see a lot of pictures with

2829
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,960
hollywood stars and whatnot

2830
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,199
uh the uso is a prime example where we

2831
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:10,960
have an existing relationship with

2832
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:14,159
hollywood where we work with it now um

2833
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,440
let's go back to your question about

2834
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:18,800
ufos or uaps in this particular case

2835
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:21,760
i was absolutely dumbfounded the first

2836
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,880
time i saw the movie uh close encounters

2837
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:26,320
of the third kind and let me preface

2838
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,440
this

2839
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:29,040
i saw it

2840
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:30,480
i never saw it before i got into

2841
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,040
anything it was it was well well-lit in

2842
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,440
fact my wife and right she's a fan of of

2843
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:37,440
uh steven spielberg and she said you

2844
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,800
need to watch this movie i'm like yeah i

2845
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:40,159
don't watch

2846
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,760
alien ufo movie that's the last thing i

2847
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,679
want to do i want to relax right

2848
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:45,440
and she's like no no you you really need

2849
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:46,719
to see this

2850
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,600
and i was dumbfounded on on some of the

2851
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,880
performance characteristics and

2852
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:52,239
descriptions of some of these crap

2853
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:53,440
because they were like right out of an

2854
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,679
atic book couldn't believe it and it

2855
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:57,600
turns out that jacques valley and a few

2856
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,440
others and alec as we know heinek um

2857
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,360
were were providing

2858
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:05,920
uh steven spielberg um

2859
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,440
if you will the the the requisite or

2860
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,679
necessary advice and assistance

2861
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,119
to make that movie but when you see

2862
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,960
these objects going up and then doing

2863
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,400
right angle turns where you see them

2864
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:18,800
splitting off into a into three three

2865
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,360
different uh formation of like a like a

2866
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:23,679
triangle um you see the descriptions of

2867
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,679
the size and the shape and in some cases

2868
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,159
the sound and the biological effects

2869
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,639
where richard dreyfuss now has this half

2870
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:32,800
sunburn um

2871
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,520
that is really accurate you know someone

2872
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:38,159
was talking to steven spielberg who

2873
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:40,960
definitely had some inside information

2874
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:43,440
on the topic for sure and beyond just an

2875
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:45,440
enthusiast or just beyond a hobbyist

2876
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:46,960
because there was if you know what

2877
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,159
you're looking for

2878
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:49,440
you know there were some some pretty

2879
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,400
significant classified reports that were

2880
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:54,719
substantiating what you what you see in

2881
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:57,119
this in this hollywood movie

2882
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,400
that must have been really something

2883
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:01,199
else uh when you were watching that with

2884
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,880
what you knew at the time the

2885
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,719
revelations uh

2886
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:06,560
now have you ever

2887
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,600
seen

2888
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:09,840
anything that you can talk about that

2889
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,080
had anything to do with time

2890
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,800
manipulation that seems to come up quite

2891
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,280
a bit in people i talk to the

2892
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:19,760
possibility of it

2893
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,480
yeah we're we we're exploring that we

2894
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,920
have to be very careful with that

2895
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,000
because we we right now don't even

2896
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,080
understand time very well

2897
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:30,560
right um yeah and so

2898
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:33,600
you know what what what is time uh we we

2899
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:34,880
tend to

2900
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:36,880
experience it in a linear fashion but in

2901
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,960
reality times times a little more

2902
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,560
complicated than that

2903
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,880
and there have been uh i want to be

2904
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:44,159
really careful what i say because

2905
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:45,600
there's some individuals to protect

2906
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:47,679
their identities but there was some very

2907
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:49,360
compelling information that was provided

2908
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,199
to us while we were in atip

2909
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,760
that led us to believe that that the way

2910
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:55,440
we perceive time

2911
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,960
um may not necessarily be universal that

2912
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,880
uh if you get close to a particular

2913
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:02,960
technology

2914
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,080
the way you experience time is relative

2915
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:08,159
uh and that's about all i'm prepared to

2916
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:09,920
go into right now

2917
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:13,440
uh it is it is important uh it is um it

2918
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:14,840
is certainly

2919
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:18,400
a an aspect of this topic

2920
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:21,679
uh that should not be ignored and and

2921
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,840
people are are looking into it there's a

2922
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:25,760
lot of theories

2923
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:28,800
out there that explain um why people may

2924
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:31,199
perceive time differently and experience

2925
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:32,800
time differently

2926
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:36,560
um but we'll just have to wait and see

2927
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,960
yeah i mean that that could also be part

2928
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,159
of travel

2929
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:42,960
too i mean the space time you know

2930
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:44,719
uh and all that uh

2931
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:45,600
here's

2932
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,520
i maybe you'll understand this one how

2933
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:49,600
did j stratton obtain the videos

2934
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:51,520
directly from the fleet or squadron

2935
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:54,719
squadron then pass them along to navy

2936
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:56,840
air or navair

2937
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,560
uh i am about that question i know

2938
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,159
exactly what you mean by that i i'm not

2939
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,480
at liberty to discuss uh

2940
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,320
anything involving mr stratton just like

2941
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:06,560
i did not involve uh have any discussion

2942
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:08,880
previously about uh jim lakatsky i kept

2943
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:12,480
his his identity uh private and for for

2944
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,239
a long time confidential because he

2945
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,400
asked me to until he decided to come out

2946
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:18,320
publicly i am certainly not going to

2947
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:20,080
speak on behalf of mr stratton or what

2948
01:46:24,629 --> 01:46:21,840
his role was uh

2949
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:24,639
uh or if any in this effort um that's

2950
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:26,560
for him to have that conversation

2951
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:28,080
um great question

2952
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:31,440
but um i'm i'm not prepared to to to

2953
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,280
answer that question at this time i i

2954
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:35,600
don't i simply

2955
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:36,800
i

2956
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:45,840
that

2957
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,280
people are asking you the question is i

2958
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:52,960
know you mentioned or someone i think

2959
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:55,280
you were on some news channel maybe with

2960
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:56,960
tucker carlson or something and he was

2961
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:58,800
trying to get out of you

2962
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:01,840
um about crash retrieval

2963
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,800
um

2964
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:04,880
you probably all said as much as you can

2965
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:07,199
say about that is that is that right at

2966
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:08,719
this point

2967
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:11,520
um that that's true i'll let me see if i

2968
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:14,560
can be as as clear as possible

2969
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,320
i am not at liberty to discuss

2970
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:20,000
any details

2971
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:24,000
involving alleged uh crash retrieval um

2972
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,760
and i i have to honor that and i have to

2973
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:27,119
respect that

2974
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:30,239
sure okay um so here's a question here i

2975
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:32,880
can actually pull this one up um if you

2976
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,880
let's say you could change some type of

2977
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:36,560
law

2978
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:42,080
would be more effective to uh disclosure

2979
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,199
process

2980
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,920
i would offer immediate amnesty uh for a

2981
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:47,760
period of six months to a year

2982
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:50,159
to anybody involved in legacy efforts to

2983
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:51,760
come forward and begin having this

2984
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:54,719
conversation now in fact yesterday

2985
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,840
uh with the uh with the task force uh

2986
01:48:02,470 --> 01:47:59,920
well with replacement and some of my

2987
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:02,480
colleagues in washington and also to

2988
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,320
congress members of congress i would

2989
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:06,239
offer them some sort of amnesty to say

2990
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,119
look um you have a short window

2991
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,440
to to tell us what you know and what you

2992
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,760
learned uh in turn we will continue to

2993
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:15,119
protect the information we'll continue

2994
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,400
to protect you

2995
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,440
um but uh there's a shelf life and if a

2996
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:21,040
year from now you don't take us up on

2997
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:23,199
that and i find out you've been hiding

2998
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,960
information

2999
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,639
we're coming after you you're gonna have

3000
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,040
some some some serious explaining to do

3001
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:31,600
and potentially be prosecuted so

3002
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:32,400
that's

3003
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:35,840
opportunity and then maybe another thing

3004
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:36,560
is

3005
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:41,760
do open hearings with congress

3006
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,520
let the american people know

3007
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:45,440
bring it out and say okay all you people

3008
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:46,880
who have non-disclosure agreements right

3009
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:48,159
now

3010
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:49,280
nomas

3011
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,040
you are hereby allowed to have this

3012
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:53,520
conversation with us and the american

3013
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:55,119
people and

3014
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,280
cut us loose

3015
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:59,280
wouldn't that be something

3016
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,960
that would that would certainly

3017
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,119
really move forward um

3018
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:05,119
this question also

3019
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:06,800
uh you know you think of if there's

3020
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,560
possible crash

3021
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:10,960
data i mean again if you know something

3022
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:13,840
about this is can i just say are there

3023
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,320
rumors that there's biological data out

3024
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,239
there

3025
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:20,560
look you saw in the law right biological

3026
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:23,599
effects uh need i say more

3027
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:27,599
um i i cannot go into any

3028
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,800
details

3029
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,639
any more than i already have

3030
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:32,080
uh but

3031
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,840
you know hey look it's kind of obvious

3032
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,280
right it's in law

3033
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,320
biological effects uh you know

3034
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,040
what does that tell you

3035
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,679
yeah yeah um and also about and all by

3036
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:45,040
the way also about

3037
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,000
material right and and

3038
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,400
getting a quick reaction force the qrf

3039
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,440
team to to go out and and collect

3040
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,679
stuff that's that's in the law so that's

3041
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:57,840
not lou alexander telling you that's

3042
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,880
that's that's that's a law

3043
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,560
okay it said that you're getting really

3044
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,800
really this is another question up there

3045
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,239
you're getting really really close to

3046
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:08,320
disclosure can you be more specific what

3047
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:09,840
do you mean exactly hearings the

3048
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,920
president telling the people

3049
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:13,440
you have it you already have disclosure

3050
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,320
guys it's here you have two former

3051
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:18,719
directors of the cia a former director

3052
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,400
of national intelligence ascending

3053
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:22,239
director of national intelligence two

3054
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:24,080
former presidents of the united states

3055
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:26,560
and now law saying it's real

3056
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,880
it's it's here you have the disclosure

3057
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:30,320
you've been waiting for

3058
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,760
if you're looking for a president to

3059
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,520
come out and say it after otherwise i've

3060
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:35,679
already said it

3061
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,000
you don't need it it's it's you have it

3062
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:40,560
so let's let's i think the time has come

3063
01:50:44,669 --> 01:50:42,560
to move on from that we we have

3064
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,679
disclosure what we don't have is

3065
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:47,360
transparency yet so i think we need to

3066
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,880
start moving from

3067
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:50,400
when is disclosure going to happen it

3068
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:52,320
already happened it happened this last

3069
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,840
year congratulations pat yourself on the

3070
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:56,159
back you did it you got what you wanted

3071
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,960
but

3072
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:58,800
it's not enough right now now we want to

3073
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:01,520
know more so so i think we need to now

3074
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:04,239
move the conversation from disclosure

3075
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:06,239
and now move it to another thing if

3076
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:07,199
you're waiting for the present to say

3077
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:09,119
yeah haha laughs on you actually we've

3078
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,960
always known about this and here's what

3079
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:12,239
we know you're not going to get it

3080
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:13,119
because there's some presents that

3081
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:14,800
weren't even informed of themselves

3082
01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:16,719
there were presidents in our own country

3083
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:18,800
that were not brief to this topic so if

3084
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:20,239
you're expecting a president that never

3085
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,520
received a briefing on this all of a

3086
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:23,440
sudden come out and give you a briefing

3087
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:24,719
it's not going to happen the people

3088
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:26,000
who've been briefed have already come

3089
01:51:29,109 --> 01:51:27,520
out and told you look i've been briefed

3090
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:29,119
we know it's real we don't know what it

3091
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:30,639
is so

3092
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,080
now comes the hard part let's have that

3093
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:35,040
conversation okay we got disclosure

3094
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:36,719
but we don't yet have

3095
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:39,280
confirmation or transparency that's what

3096
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:41,440
we need to move towards now

3097
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,800
in my opinion this this question up here

3098
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,639
and i i would answer this question

3099
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,880
myself and say i don't think so

3100
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:50,480
do you personally feel that anyone

3101
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,920
directly involved with the 70-year

3102
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,000
cover-up will be jailed but

3103
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:56,000
the reason i put this question

3104
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,520
up there is

3105
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,679
there would be a lot of explaining to do

3106
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:00,880
wouldn't there

3107
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:03,520
if there was a cover-up all this time

3108
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:05,199
oh yeah

3109
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:07,119
yeah the big question is why

3110
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,480
and who gave you the authority to keep

3111
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:10,000
it from the american people i mean

3112
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,199
there's some very

3113
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:13,119
significant reasons why i can if you

3114
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,639
want me to explore anecdotally real

3115
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:16,400
quick with you but you know i've said

3116
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:17,599
this before

3117
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,320
let me ask you this martin um

3118
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,400
potential three three options right

3119
01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:25,119
they're benevolent uh they're malevolent

3120
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:26,800
or they're like us kind of in the middle

3121
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:28,239
can do good or bad

3122
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:29,440
um

3123
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:31,360
let's let's talk about benevolence right

3124
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:32,639
oh they're here to help us and they're

3125
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:34,000
here to stop us from from hurting

3126
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:36,560
ourselves well

3127
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,520
during 1945 we vaporized 500 000 human

3128
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,960
beings off the face of this planet with

3129
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:42,880
a dropping of two atomic bombs hiroshima

3130
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,440
nagasaki nowhere did uaps stop that in

3131
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:47,199
fact nowhere in uap stop world war ii

3132
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:49,440
korean war vietnam or anything else they

3133
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:50,639
haven't stopped kobe they haven't

3134
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,760
stopped world hunger they haven't

3135
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:53,920
stopped ukraine so the question is is

3136
01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:55,520
there any information to substantiate

3137
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,719
that these things are here to help us

3138
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,480
well right now there's not not from a

3139
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:00,800
national security perspective anyways so

3140
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:02,239
you know

3141
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:04,000
say that for somebody else so the real

3142
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,760
question is okay if they're not here for

3143
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:07,840
benevolent reasons are they here to hurt

3144
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,280
us or are they here kind of like us to

3145
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:12,000
observe and maybe not interfere well

3146
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,760
that's possible but from a national

3147
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,520
security perspective

3148
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:17,199
when we go into a country and we're

3149
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:19,040
doing let's say long-range surveillance

3150
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:20,719
right and i send an alerts team to go do

3151
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,159
reconnaissance because we're going to

3152
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,560
invade a country well the moment that

3153
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:26,719
country finds out that i'm conducting

3154
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:28,239
reconnaissance

3155
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,119
into their borders the jig is up i now

3156
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:33,360
have to go i have to invade i have to

3157
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:35,440
attack because the element of surprise

3158
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,239
is over so let's just say hypothetically

3159
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,080
way just remote possibility that

3160
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,920
whatever's out there is planning to come

3161
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,760
here in 50 years just

3162
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,040
let's just say

3163
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:46,960
but the moment that the american people

3164
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:48,719
find out it's real

3165
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:50,239
and by the way the american government

3166
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:52,000
acknowledges the world acknowledges it

3167
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:53,280
right

3168
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,440
now whatever may happen in 50 years now

3169
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,280
happens it has to happen tomorrow and by

3170
01:54:03,109 --> 01:53:59,760
the way we don't have any type of way to

3171
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,119
to to counteract it or to neutralize it

3172
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:05,679
or to exploit it we don't there's not a

3173
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,760
damn thing we can do about it so that's

3174
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,760
not really good from a national security

3175
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:11,280
perspective that's not really a good

3176
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:13,199
place you want to be in

3177
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,400
especially when it comes to national

3178
01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,239
security because the mere fact of

3179
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:18,639
telling somebody yes they're here and we

3180
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:20,159
don't know what what it is and we can't

3181
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,239
do anything about it may actually

3182
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:24,480
predicate an action you're not ready to

3183
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,280
have yet and so in a very weird kind of

3184
01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:29,679
twisted sort of way it actually may be a

3185
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,239
sense of patriotism that certain people

3186
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:34,320
have kept this quiet for so long because

3187
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:35,040
we

3188
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:38,320
measure and so

3189
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:40,000
it is the one secret that if you

3190
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,400
acknowledge it exists you could force

3191
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,639
the hand on someone or something to do

3192
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,239
something that you're not prepared to

3193
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:48,320
have happen yet and so

3194
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:50,159
it's something to consider now let me

3195
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:51,599
say for the record i don't agree with

3196
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,639
that okay but i can appreciate that i

3197
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:56,400
can understand that i can understand

3198
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,480
that somebody who's very patriotic and

3199
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,719
very senior says look the mere fact that

3200
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:02,560
we have this conversation

3201
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,639
could lead to something that we're we're

3202
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,199
not ready to deal with yet and so

3203
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,520
i get it and again i don't i'm not

3204
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,840
saying i agree with it i'm simply saying

3205
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,320
i can appreciate that and i understand

3206
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:16,960
it and it's not as you know we it's

3207
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:19,440
harder to demonize someone if that

3208
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:23,199
really was their their their motivation

3209
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,040
you know i never thought of that angle

3210
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:27,920
and i totally i totally understand and i

3211
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:31,679
appreciate it and glad you glad you uh

3212
01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:33,760
talked about that we are totally out of

3213
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,920
time lou it's been a real pleasure as

3214
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:37,840
always thank you so much and please

3215
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:40,320
continue marvin thank you and thank you

3216
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,800
to your wonderful audience thank you for

3217
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:44,480
for a civil debate and civil

3218
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:46,320
conversation here ultimately that's what

3219
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,679
this is about

3220
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:49,520
we can all agree to disagree and i want

3221
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:50,880
to thank you very much and i also want

3222
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,040
to thank your moderators for allowing

3223
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:55,040
people to have a voice but at the same

3224
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:56,639
time remaining respectful with one

3225
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:57,599
another

3226
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:58,880
because at the end of the day that's the

3227
01:56:02,070 --> 01:56:00,239
only way we're going to be able to

3228
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:02,080
really move forward on this topic we've

3229
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:03,360
got to learn

3230
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,400
to work together and stop letting our

3231
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,560
our pride and our ego

3232
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:10,800
drive the conversation

3233
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:11,599
right

3234
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,040
thanks again sir thank you very much

3235
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,520
take care all right bye now

3236
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:19,440
all right everyone thanks so much for uh

3237
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,760
your participation tonight i'm looking

3238
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:23,440
all blurry i don't know why now but

3239
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:26,159
anyway thanks again everyone and we'll

3240
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,440
be back next week with jack brewer and

3241
01:56:34,770 --> 01:56:31,440
remember to keep your eyes to the sky

3242
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:34,780
and see you next week